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Many Hawaiians believe they were conquered by the US and the vote for statehood was rejected by the native minority, but agreed by immigrants, mostly military.
Yes, we were lucky to spend time in Maui and Kaui some years back- and this came up in conversation a few times as we went on many trips with local rangers.
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Christianity is 2,000-year old mythology (as is Islam, etc.)
Well, Islam isn't 2000 year's old. And Christianity isn't a myth (although may not be correct). You myth-understand what myth is, and if you think Jesus was mythical, then your opinion is contrary to mainstream secular historical opinion. Then again - people will believe anything, no matter how untrue. Perhaps if you took more magnesium it would help you deal with your myth-contrued myth-conceptions.

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Separation of Church and state was merely a response to Englandís Church of England
Well, not just the CoE, but any country that had a mandated state religion. But yes. People need to understand separation of church and state was largely to proect the church, not the state!
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Old 24.01.2021, 15:34
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Well, Islam isn't 2000 year's old. And Christianity isn't a myth (although may not be correct). You myth-understand what myth is, and if you think Jesus was mythical, then your opinion is contrary to mainstream secular historical opinion. Then again - people will believe anything, no matter how untrue. Perhaps if you took more magnesium it would help you deal with your myth-contrued myth-conceptions.

Well, not just the CoE, but any country that had a mandated state religion. But yes. People need to understand separation of church and state was largely to proect the church, not the state!
But you are a Christian, correct? So does that not color your view? Jews and Muslims that I know donít discount the existence of Jesus, but rather his identity as savior, son of God, etc. is that what youíre getting at?

Iím intrigued how separation of church and state protects the church. How does that work? Which church?
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Iím intrigued how separation of church and state protects the church. How does that work? Which church?
Curious as well.
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Well, Islam isn't 2000 year's old. And Christianity isn't a myth (although may not be correct). You myth-understand what myth is, and if you think Jesus was mythical, then your opinion is contrary to mainstream secular historical opinion. Then again - people will believe anything, no matter how untrue. Perhaps if you took more magnesium it would help you deal with your myth-contrued myth-conceptions.
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But you are a Christian, correct? So does that not color your view? Jews and Muslims that I know donít discount the existence of Jesus, but rather his identity as savior, son of God, etc. is that what youíre getting at?

Iím intrigued how separation of church and state protects the church. How does that work? Which church?
I am going to take a "punt" here and reference Henry VIII's looting of the monasteries and Catholic Churches when he split with Rome as an example of the state infringing on the rights of the Church at that time. Henry/England amassed quite a fortune in property and gold in doing so and I believe England's coffers were depleted before the split.
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Well, Islam isn't 2000 year's old. And Christianity isn't a myth (although may not be correct).
One thing that bugs me is that there is no evidence that a Jesus existed, no Roman records, no proof of any kind. If he was such a big deal then I would have expected at least some mention in Roman chronicles. So either he did not exist or there were so many "messiaheses" that early christianity had more in common with a Monty Python sketch than the birth of a religion.
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But you are a Christian, correct? So does that not color your view? Jews and Muslims that I know donít discount the existence of Jesus, but rather his identity as savior, son of God, etc. is that what youíre getting at?

Iím intrigued how separation of church and state protects the church. How does that work? Which church?
Interesting- are you saying, for instance, that was the case in France after the Revolution?
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I am going to take a "punt" here and reference Henry VIII's looting of the monasteries and Catholic Churches when he split with Rome as an example of the state infringing on the rights of the Church at that time. Henry/England amassed quite a fortune in property and gold in doing so and I believe England's coffers were depleted before the split.
Agreed- and power too, and ability to buy fidelity and allegiance from other nobles and the powerful new CofE, by giving them part of those riches and lands. The idea that is was solely to marry Ann Boleyn is just plain nonsense- the above was much more important.
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One thing that bugs me is that there is no evidence that a Jesus existed, no Roman records, no proof of any kind.
I think if I was Christian, it would make sense for me to enquire..to want to know.
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Old 24.01.2021, 17:27
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I am going to take a "punt" here and reference Henry VIII's looting of the monasteries and Catholic Churches when he split with Rome as an example of the state infringing on the rights of the Church at that time. Henry/England amassed quite a fortune in property and gold in doing so and I believe England's coffers were depleted before the split.
I’m from the US, so my perspective was strictly US centric. I’m trying to understand how separation of church and state benefits the Church in the early US. Oops my bad for missing the broader perspective.

This reminds me. Joe Biden is only the 2nd Roman Catholic president. When JFK was elected, people were worried that the Pope would have undue influence on US government. I don’t think that’s as big an issue anymore.

I do wish there was a little less reference to “god” - because not everyone believes, as is their right. Of course, Trump with the Bible last summer seemed like complete hypocrisy.
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I think if I was Christian, it would make sense for me to enquire..to want to know.
if I was any religion at all - for sure. I did when I was about 8 or 10- and realised it was all nonsense, at least for me- and OH did the same about same age. Between him and myself we have about 5 different Christian denominations + Islam. Not a chance!
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Re: Are american evangelicals just a political group

I, full hands up, posted this while drunk, but also it’s been something that has been on my mind for a while.
We can know things, objectively, we can have some semblance of truth
But i remember some evangelical on this board who fought against any kind of facts to basically, just denying literal words printed on a page, and, tbh, letting that kind of lunacy free and saying, everyone has their opinion is not the same as destroying democracy coz your pastor thinks the world is 6000 years old
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It’s not even an ancient belief, most rational Christians came to the realization that, jeez, it’s bs on every level, but these cretins fought to corrupt truth on every level and now were at the point were they try to stage a coup, and everyone is, well,they’re good people.
They aren’t

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Well, Islam isn't 2000 year's old. And Christianity isn't a myth (although may not be correct). You myth-understand what myth is, and if you think Jesus was mythical, then your opinion is contrary to mainstream secular historical opinion. Then again - people will believe anything, no matter how untrue. Perhaps if you took more magnesium it would help you deal with your myth-contrued myth-conceptions.
Christianity is mythology and is based on mythology, just as (for example) ancient Greek religions are and were.

"Mythology (from the Greek mythos for story-of-the-people, and logos for word or speech, so the spoken story of a people) is the study and interpretation of often sacred tales or fables of a culture known as myths or the collection of such stories which deal with various aspects of the human condition: good and evil; the meaning of suffering; human origins; the origin of place-names, animals, cultural values, and traditions; the meaning of life and death; the afterlife; and the gods or a god. Myths express the beliefs and values about these subjects held by a certain culture."

https://www.ancient.eu/mythology/

Perhaps you might be interested in the Wikipedia page titled "Christian Mythology:"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_mythology
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Just proclaiming youíre a christian is not an excuse
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Christianity is mythology and is based on mythology, just as (for example) ancient Greek religions are and were.

"Mythology (from the Greek mythos for story-of-the-people, and logos for word or speech, so the spoken story of a people) is the study and interpretation of often sacred tales or fables of a culture known as myths or the collection of such stories which deal with various aspects of the human condition: good and evil; the meaning of suffering; human origins; the origin of place-names, animals, cultural values, and traditions; the meaning of life and death; the afterlife; and the gods or a god. Myths express the beliefs and values about these subjects held by a certain culture."

https://www.ancient.eu/mythology/

Perhaps you might be interested in the Wikipedia page titled "Christian Mythology:"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_mythology
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Is it all be because of climate science? Is it coz folks can intermarry across make believe delimitations? There’s not much good coming out of the origins of true believers

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Is it all be because of climate science? Is it coz folks can intermarry across make believe delimitations? Thereís not much good coming out of the origins of true believers
Is this hangover talk?
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The problem with Christian nationalism and evangelical religion as well in the US is they see themselves as some sort of last bastion of Christianity, even though there are many other countries that are officially Christian. Why they think this only they know.

The other is that they see religious freedom as meaning Christian religious freedom; they're shit scared of any and all non-Christian based ones. If they ever gain enough power I can see them doing everything they can to shut down non-Christian places of worship, limiting immigration to people from only Christian countries, etc, etc. And it will be their "vision" of Christianity which will actually restrict religious freedom in the US by forcing their beliefs on the rest of the population.
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