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Are american evangelicals just a political group

Trolling i guess, but there’s that video of some real estate bimbo who flew in on a private jet and she’ s all praise jesus.
Wtf
She’s

She’s scary, well done, if that is your intention,well, shit, very clever, coz i sure as hell don’t wanna live under a bunch of....
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Re: Are american evangelicals just a political group

Please, post the video link.
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Please, post the video link.
Please don’t.
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Trolling i guess, but there’s that video of some real estate bimbo who flew in on a private jet and she’ s all praise jesus.
Wtf
She’s

She’s scary, well done, if that is your intention,well, shit, very clever, coz i sure as hell don’t wanna live under a bunch of....
Either you just let your 12 year old use your EF account, or that is one hell of a drunk post.

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Re: Are american evangelicals just a political group

Check out the prosperity gospel. It’s God’s will that these people become rich, they believe. And they expect their followers to help.

Paula White, Joel Osteen, the Fallwells, Franklin Graham, Pat Robertson etc etc.

Mostly huge supporters of capitalism and the Republican Party.
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Old 24.01.2021, 09:35
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Re: Are american evangelicals just a political group

They are scary, I was invited by a customer to join in worship in one of those megachurches in Chicago. I went along simply out of anthropological curiosity, it was horrific, Josef Göbbels would have been envious about how the "mob" was put under the spell (for want of a better word) of the guy on stage and ever since then I regard American Jesus-ites as insane on a sliding scale.
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Re: Are american evangelicals just a political group

Christian nationalism is not the same thing as American evangelicalism.

Granted, today there is a very vocal and visible intersection between the two - but it should be emphasised that they are not the same. In fact, there are many evangelicals, thankfully more and more finding their voices, who strongly disavow the first.

Evangelicalism is a wide spectrum of Bible-based beliefs. One should be careful with labels.

Think, for instance, of the difference between Raphael Warnock, newly elected senator from Georgia and pastor of Ebenezer Baptist Church, and Franklin Graham.

Heck, think even the difference between Franklin Graham and the college with which his father Billy, perhaps the best known American evangelical, is most strongly indentified, the intellectually rigorous Wheaton College.

Christian nationalism is IMO a perversion of a set of religious beliefs, and yes, it's about political power. And yes, it scares the bejesus out of me.

It's kind of hard to take the 'red words' to heart and still trod the Christian nationalism path. But hipocrisy is rife everywhere.


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And the prosperity gospel movement is just... to me beyond perverse. Eye of the needle, and all that.

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Re: Are american evangelicals just a political group

Here's Paula White in action. Extraordinary.

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Here's Paula White in action. Extraordinary.
She certainly demonstrated the power of prayer.
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Christian nationalism is not the same thing as American evangelicalism.

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And the prosperity gospel movement is just... to me beyond perverse. Eye of the needle, and all that.
In every society you'll have fringe groups who believe in all sort of things.
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Re: Are american evangelicals just a political group

Give me a copy of the Quran and a cup of tea any day over this lot.
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Re: Are american evangelicals just a political group

Do none of these people realise the Constitution mandates separation of church and state? They will not be able to force their religious views on the rest of America.
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Do none of these people realise the Constitution mandates separation of church and state? They will not be able to force their religious views on the rest of America.
That's a myth. God is mentioned in the national hymn, on US currency, when swearing in at court and is definitely used during political campaigns. In fact, the whole abortion topic is based on Christian belief.

There are many Christian movements that use politics to gain popularity. They go on about God wanting this and that and telling their followers in subtle or not so subtle ways who they should vote for.

Trump had a huge Christian support group because he promised to make abortions more difficult and create closer ties to Israel. And those were two promises he kept. However, it's naive to say it was only Trump's doing.... there are a lot of Republicans who know how to appease Christian supporters.

Separation of church and state in the US? Baloney. In fact, I feel there are far too many parallels between extreme Muslim faith and extreme Christian faith. Both are judgemental and divisive for any nation. This is one time when "pot meet kettle" applies in spades.
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Do none of these people realise the Constitution mandates separation of church and state? They will not be able to force their religious views on the rest of America.
Of course they will, just give them the power to do so and secularism will be the first victim and I believe that under trump they were poised to do just that and create a theocracy rivaling that of the Wahabi´s.
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Re: Are american evangelicals just a political group

Religion exploits people's sense of helplessness, and these evangelicals and megachurches capitalize upon that as well as (some) politicians.

One thing I've noticed in the US is that a lot of people claim to be Christian because it provides them with delusions of righteousness, and that is exactly what I see evangelicals doing as well. It doesn't matter what they actually do, in terms of morality, as long as they label themselves as "Christian" and use that as an excuse to try to justify their behavior. e.g. Gays can't marry "because the Bible says so."

Christianity is 2,000-year old mythology (as is Islam, etc.) and the fact that so many people still believe in it today is mind-boggling.
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Christianity is 2,000-year old mythology (as is Islam, etc.) and the fact that so many people still believe in it today is mind-boggling.
I consider myself a Christian although I rarely go to church. Sometimes it's nice to talk to someone when no one else is around.

It could be argued (rather successfully) that religion is a psychological approach to help people keep sane and a strategy to form common bonds and a sense of belonging in a community.

However, I'm the first person to call out my fellow Christians when I feel they're misusing religion as a judgemental tool. It's why some Christians don't like me. I've never been very good in walking in the Lord's footsteps.
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In every society you'll have fringe groups who believe in all sort of things.
I don't think they're fringe. That's what is worrying. The prosperity teachers are closely aligned with groups like the New Aposotolic Reformation (NAR), who teach that the church must make sure it has influence (and therefore power) in all areas of American life. For that reason the leaders persuage their followers to give generously to political campaigns such as Trump. By getting their churches to give money, they gain political power.

I'm a Christian. The thought of living in such a theocracy - or even the US becoming one - scares me.
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Do none of these people realise the Constitution mandates separation of church and state? They will not be able to force their religious views on the rest of America.
Separation of Church and state was merely a response to England’s Church of England - a state religion where the ruler is also the head of the church. All it means is that there is no state mandated religion, nothing more.


As for extreme religion....the more extreme you get, the less difference there is between the specific religions...
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Re: Are american evangelicals just a political group

This discussion is going to be a bit one sided at 10.00am on a Sunday morning.
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Do none of these people realise the Constitution mandates separation of church and state?
Looks like many things written in the US contitution are just words to them. I like that here things don't have to be written in any charts and are still respected, because of history and common sense that people agree on on their own account.

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