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Re: The Political Compass

Very interesting! I am here:

Your Political Compass
Economic Left/Right: 0.5
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.13

Sandwiched between Nelson Mandela and Milton Friedman in the caricature chart. Sounds about right, but pretty lonely on this side of the chart...
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Very interesting! I am here:

Your Political Compass
Economic Left/Right: 0.5
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.13

Sandwiched between Nelson Mandela and Milton Friedman in the caricature chart. Sounds about right, but pretty lonely on this side of the chart...
I would do it but it's 6 pages of questions and I'm such a raving Leftie liberal I always come out just next to Marx on these things.

I yearn to return back to selling Socialist Worker outside St Paul's.
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Old 21.11.2016, 21:44
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Re: The Political Compass

i did it twice. one ideal one, one realistic one.

"the world" = the west anno 1960-ish as i imagine:
https://www.politicalcompass.org/you...4.38&soc=-4.36


"the world" = planet earth 2016:
https://www.politicalcompass.org/you...3.03&soc=-0.05
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Very interesting! I am here:

Your Political Compass
Economic Left/Right: 0.5
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.13

Sandwiched between Nelson Mandela and Milton Friedman in the caricature chart. Sounds about right, but pretty lonely on this side of the chart...
My god, our first shrinking violet!

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Re: The Political Compass

Damn am I the only one who is leaning towards authotarian?

https://www.politicalcompass.org/ana...-0.13&soc=1.33
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My god, our first shrinking violet!

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And Hilary supporter, no less

Actually, I mellowed out a lot (e.g. matured/developed more realistic opinions) with the years. When I was a young and idealist hard core econ student, free market always/ at all costs, etc. I would probably have placed way down the far right corner of the purple square.

I remember the very heated arguments with my brother, equally hard core and idealist, but a longtime, die-hard registered member of the communist party back home. So way up there in the left corner of the red square!

Still make fun of him for once telling me that, if I ever had anything to do with the World Trade Center, World Economic Forum, etc. he would stop speaking to me and I would actually see him outside protesting against the evil globalization. LOL - family.
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Re: The Political Compass

Meanwhile, looking like a big NO in Italy.

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Re: The Political Compass

Talking about politics, just to derail the thread a little, what's with the Economist cover: is it a hoax or is it genuine? It looks weird. (The world in 2017 cover)
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Meanwhile, looking like a big NO in Italy.

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I voted today via mail through the embassy! (YES)
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Old 21.11.2016, 23:45
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I voted today via mail through the embassy! (YES)
Knowing the speed of Italian mail (three weeks for a registered letter from Trieste to Lugano), you may be a bit late.

Still, that makes two Yes, two hundred No (of voters that I know).

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Knowing the speed of Italian mail (three weeks for a registered letter from Trieste to Lugano), you may be a bit late.

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Nah, deadline to submit is until Dec 1. Probably they use some superfast diplo channel (or Harry Potter style magic owls!).
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Nah, deadline to submit is until Dec 1. Probably they use some superfast diplo channel (or Harry Potter style magic owls!).
Nonetheless, be ready for a massive NO!

Bye, bye, Renzi!

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Hmm! is it just me seeing a certain trend in the EF population?
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Perhaps because the test is neither calibrated nor objective?

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Political_Compass

If the so called scientific result places you in a group that you do not relate to, you may be inclined to think, "hey, I'm more like them than I thought" and could give their policies legitimacy through a type of self confirmation bias.

And let's face it, some of the questions are just idiotic. I'm a Chicago grad, so as free market as they come, but one does not always have to choose between the evil MNC and the environment in the way they depict.
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Perhaps because the test is neither calibrated nor objective?

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Political_Compass...
I'm sure that some of the criticism is correct, but when the criticism contains nonsensical statements like:

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An alternative quiz with less loaded questions that makes use of the political compass format. (some of the questions are US-specific though, like the question about Intelligent Design, which is not even intelligible to most people outside the US.)
with regard to "School science classes should teach intelligent design." I have to question the competence of the authors to make criticism. Any crowd-sourced article cannot be considered authoritative (even if by its nature it is peer reviewed, we've no way of knowing whether the reviewers are competent to make the review).

Political Compass gives a different way of looking at politics than the traditional left/right, and it is almost certainly biased and flawed in many ways. The indications may be useful, however, and could break up pre-conceived political thinking.
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And Hilary supporter, no less

Actually, I mellowed out a lot (e.g. matured/developed more realistic opinions) with the years. When I was a young and idealist hard core econ student, free market always/ at all costs, etc. I would probably have placed way down the far right corner of the purple square.

I remember the very heated arguments with my brother, equally hard core and idealist, but a longtime, die-hard registered member of the communist party back home. So way up there in the left corner of the red square!

Still make fun of him for once telling me that, if I ever had anything to do with the World Trade Center, World Economic Forum, etc. he would stop speaking to me and I would actually see him outside protesting against the evil globalization. LOL - family.
I used to have this type of political debates with my family only when I was very young; meantime we all melted down a bit because we know where each of us stands and with a few exceptions and situations, nobody really cares anymore.
Speaking of your vote in the latest referendum from your home country, I can relate to your worries and desire to make things better but, being quite disappointed with my last choice in the presidential elections from back home I started (for the first time ever) reconsidering my "God given" right to influence in any way, shape and form what's going on over there, politically. Of course I'm almost sure that this newly found humbleness won't last forever and that I'll probably vote again, but it made me wonder if it's right to partake in the decision process for a place where I don't live anymore.

Back to the political compass, according to this test I'm a solid leftie, in reality back home I usually vote with the liberal party which is centre right, though in the meantime everything they proposed and done looked a lot like centre left to me. This test is flawed, obviously, but if you think about - so are the parties' very flexible political and economical doctrines.
Anyway, EF is the only place where I sort of discuss politics... (yeah, I love the drama).
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Perhaps because the test is neither calibrated nor objective?

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Political_Compass

If the so called scientific result places you in a group that you do not relate to, you may be inclined to think, "hey, I'm more like them than I thought" and could give their policies legitimacy through a type of self confirmation bias.

And let's face it, some of the questions are just idiotic. I'm a Chicago grad, so as free market as they come, but one does not always have to choose between the evil MNC and the environment in the way they depict.
I did the 2nd test, it put me above the line on the authoritarian axis. Left: 4.68, Authoritarian: 0.68 (vs Left:-5.25, Authoritarian:-5.59 on the first one).

I suspect I am not alone in thinking "What a stupid way to phrase a question" while completing such quizzes.

I may be wrong, but I doubt that many EFers are likely to complete such a quiz and decide to change their party membership because of what the quiz "reveals" about them. I submit that we are more likely to see quizzes and other such "scientific" evaluations as inaccurate approximations (at best).

One poll made me look like Gandhi. Fair enough, I'm all for nonviolence, but I'm not going to start spinning my own thread or become a vegatarian.

The other poll says I'm more authoritarian. Other than demanding a change in the EF rules forcing Phos to include more pictures of kittens and take a Steiner school eurhythmics course (and post videos), I don't think the 2nd poll has changed who I am. (But it would be entertaining to see if it would change Phos!)
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The other poll says I'm more authoritarian. Other than demanding a change in the EF rules forcing Phos to include more pictures of kittens and take a Steiner school eurhythmics course (and post videos), I don't think the 2nd poll has changed who I am. (But it would be entertaining to see if it would change Phos!)
The graph is certainly useless. I think I am dead centre, and everyone else is to the left/right top/bottom of me.
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Perhaps because the test is neither calibrated nor objective?

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Political_Compass

If the so called scientific result places you in a group that you do not relate to, you may be inclined to think, "hey, I'm more like them than I thought" and could give their policies legitimacy through a type of self confirmation bias.

And let's face it, some of the questions are just idiotic. I'm a Chicago grad, so as free market as they come, but one does not always have to choose between the evil MNC and the environment in the way they depict.
People added a 3rd axis like conservative / progressive (which highly depends on an countries tradition) until finally along came a spider where you can score on all axis. As the axis are not really decoupled and orthogonal to each other.

http://blog.smartvote.ch/tag/smartspider

But even this one can not reflect the full political spectrum and your stand point on certain topics.
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The graph is certainly useless. I think I am dead centre, and everyone else is to the left/right top/bottom of me.
Don't we all?
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The other poll says I'm more authoritarian. Other than demanding a change in the EF rules forcing Phos to include more pictures of kittens and take a Steiner school eurhythmics course (and post videos), I don't think the 2nd poll has changed who I am. (But it would be entertaining to see if it would change Phos!)
Yeah, chances are he'll become something like this

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