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Old 04.02.2021, 10:19
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But no, the dark money behind the GOP has more ideological aims (such as reducing the size and influence of government and taxation)
Don't forget they also want to increase the influence and power of the religious right.
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Old 04.02.2021, 11:36
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Re: Marjorie Taylor Greene

Apparently she got a standing ovation at the closed doors Republican meeting yesterday. So their future path is chosen. They have embraced Q-Anon.
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Apparently she got a standing ovation at the closed doors Republican meeting yesterday.
145-61 vote in favour of Cheney..at least that is encouraging.


To me there is only one hope left: That McConnell and establishment senators are quietly pretending to go along with Rand Paul et al, but will broadside Trump at the conviction vote.

As I've mentioned before, it would serve the US better if Trump was tried within a courtroom rather than the Senate...not only non-partisan, but courtrooms seem to be the last sanctuary of fact, truth and reality that remain in that country.

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Old 04.02.2021, 11:54
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Source?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b1797361.html

https://www.businessinsider.com/repu...21-2?r=US&IR=T

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Old 04.02.2021, 12:41
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145-61 vote in favour of Cheney..at least that is encouraging.


To me there is only one hope left: That McConnell and establishment senators are quietly pretending to go along with Rand Paul et al, but will broadside Trump at the conviction vote.

As I've mentioned before, it would serve the US better if Trump was tried within a courtroom rather than the Senate...not only non-partisan, but courtrooms seem to be the last sanctuary of fact, truth and reality that remain in that country.
I saw that too, which was encouraging. There seems to be some spineless wanting-it-both-ways "thinking" going on here. But I do not think that fence sitting will be a workable option for long.
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Old 04.02.2021, 12:44
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But I do not think that fence sitting will be a workable option for long.
Exactly. Hence afformentioned likelyhood of party split.
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Old 04.02.2021, 13:34
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Exactly. Hence afformentioned likelyhood of party split.
I think a third party, no matter what its nature, might be positive for the country's democracy and balance. It would hurt the GOP in the short run by canibalizing votes, but would allow them to laser-focus their agenda in more "normal" conservative topics.
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I think a third party, no matter what its nature, might be positive for the country's democracy and balance. It would hurt the GOP in the short run by canibalizing votes, but would allow them to laser-focus their agenda in more "normal" conservative topics.
Long term it'd push the dems leftwards if the splinter survived. Sadly, I don't think it would. FPTP is not kind on new parties.

Any party which simultaneously disclaims AOC and MTG would likely get my vote were I American.
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Old 04.02.2021, 13:41
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To me there is only one hope left: That McConnell and establishment senators are quietly pretending to go along with Rand Paul et al, but will broadside Trump at the conviction vote.
Oh how I wish... but I see the chance of that happening are slim.

Throughout the last four years we've heard over and over again that the 'adults in the room' will step up and stand up to Trump (and Trumpism/Qanon/bald-faced-lie-based-crazy) - and yet time and time again these supposed adults caved in. They are too beholden to the money that the crazy brings in.

Look at those who said 'enough, I'm done' after the capitol insurrection... who then a short time later oozed their way back into the crazy when they saw that political winds had shifted again. Prime example, Lindsay Graham.

Mitt is the only Republican senator who has shown he will actually vote his own conscience against the party. Collins and Murkowski are making the right noises now... but will they when it comes to a vote? We've been here before.

If Mitch knew he had the numbers to stand up to Trump he would have done so earlier. Mitch is a pure political animal, in the end he will go where the power is. And sadly, we are seeing more and more that Trumpism/Qanon/bald-faced-lie-based-crazy is the where the power, and money, currently is.

A split would be the only way for establishment Republicans to stick to their vision of the party... but that would also mean effective exile from the corridors of power, a road few who still have political ambition would take.

I fear the hope I felt on 20 January is slowly circling the drain...




I'm just praying the country is still there when it comes time to move back.

That, or perhaps my little farm will be part of a newly created Rational Republic of Vermont.
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Old 04.02.2021, 14:19
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Re: Marjorie Taylor Greene

Follow the money. Green is tolerated because she is capable of fund raising among the Trumpists.

Interesting to note that Kevin McCarthy had no problem stripping Steve King’s (Iowa) committee memberships, but he’s pussyfooting around MTG because she’s linked to Trump.

And it’s the same for the rest of the Republicans - they feel they must cosy up to the Trumpist base.

And by the way....house vote is only for MTG’s removal from committee assignments, not the house itself.
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Old 04.02.2021, 14:24
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Re: Marjorie Taylor Greene

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She has radical policy ideas that you and many others don't agree with. Greene (or should I say Taylor?) has no apparent policy ideas, just conspiracy theories.

Personally, I think space lasers and staged school shootings are way further up the batshit-craziness scale than subsidized healthcare for all.
Exactly. Comparing AOC to MTG is just another false equivalency.
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Old 04.02.2021, 14:27
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I think a third party, no matter what its nature, might be positive for the country's democracy and balance. It would hurt the GOP in the short run by canibalizing votes, but would allow them to laser-focus their agenda in more "normal" conservative topics.
As long as it's not "The Trump Party." I could see him running as an Independent in 2024 and trying to demonize both the left and the right as a means to empower himself. A new take on the "drain the swamp" idea. And of course, for him, it would seem like the perfect revenge scheme.

I think there have also been quite a few Republicans who have been trying to ride his coattails and gain favor from his support base, such as Ted Cruz and of course also MTG.
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Interesting to note that Kevin McCarthy had no problem stripping Steve King’s (Iowa) committee memberships, but he’s pussyfooting around MTG because she’s linked to Trump.
And herein lies the problem..."the standard you walk by is the standard you accept". By not stomping on MTG and banishing her to the backbench, they are validating her and other likeminded loonies..in 2022/2024 expect a truckload of MTGs to be running in, and probably winning, countless primaries.
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Exactly. Comparing AOC to MTG is just another false equivalency.

there is no equivalent to MTG within the democrats- comparison is ludicrous with AOC https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...se-equivalence
but for fun let's see...

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there is no equivalent to MTG within the democrats- comparison is ludicrous with AOC
The House GOP is threatening an opposing action against Ilhan Omar, due to anti-semetic remarks she made not long ago. But here the difference is that Omar apologised, and there was unanimous Democratic condemnation of her actions.

MTG on the other hand refused to apologise. Like Trump, she is working the controversy to get oxygen and exposure, which is all the more reason the establishment needs to shut her down ASAP.

Is it just me, or do names that lend themselves to 3-let abbreviations improve your exposure (and infamy) in US politics?
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Follow the money. Green is tolerated because she is capable of fund raising among the Trumpists.

Interesting to note that Kevin McCarthy had no problem stripping Steve King’s (Iowa) committee memberships, but he’s pussyfooting around MTG because she’s linked to Trump.

And it’s the same for the rest of the Republicans - they feel they must cosy up to the Trumpist base.

And by the way....house vote is only for MTG’s removal from committee assignments, not the house itself.
The correct term is Trumpanzees.
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Re: Marjorie Taylor Greene

Just another observation... Bernie Sanders is just as “radical” as AOC, and yet, I think there is far more acceptance of his ideas. Could it be age? Senate vs House? Maybe Gender? Who knows?
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Just another observation... Bernie Sanders is just as “radical” as AOC, and yet, I think there is far more acceptance of his ideas. Could it be age? Senate vs House? Maybe Gender? Who knows?
Class, ethnicity. It's complex. But I'd say gender and age, mostly.
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The correct term is Trumpanzees.
It’s an insult to chimpanzees.
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Re: Marjorie Taylor Greene

MTG today in the House: "I also want to tell you that 9/11 absolutely happened" and "School shootings are real". Part of her unapologetic apology tour.
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