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Article in a satirical media about Trump post-presidency "it’s like The Twilight Zone in Palm Beach"
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Old 09.05.2021, 23:12
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Re: Trump - post Presidency thread

Well I think it is funny
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GOP Rep. Adam Kinzinger (Ill.) said in a CBS show today the GOP is “in the middle of this slow sink.”
“Right now, it's basically the Titanic. We're like, you know, in the middle of this slow sink. We have a band playing on the deck telling everybody it's fine.
And meanwhile, as I've said, you know, Donald Trump's running around trying to find women's clothing and get on the first lifeboat,” Kinzinger said.
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Old 11.05.2021, 22:27
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Not really Trump but one of his supporters
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A federal judge has dismissed the National Rifle Association's(NRA) petition for bankruptcy, saying it was filed in "bad faith" in order to avoid litigation by the New York Attorney General's Office, which has sued to dissolve the NRA for allegedly misusing charitable funds.

The NY suit alleges NRA leadership used millions from the group's reserves to fund lavish trips on private jets, meals and other personal expenses and that money was diverted to benefit NRA insiders and favored vendors, that Chief Executive Officer Wayne LaPierre handpicked associates to "facilitate his misuse of charitable assets" and that the NRA board did not follow an appropriate process to determine "reasonable" compensation for NRA executives, including LaPierre.
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Re: Trump - post Presidency thread

The Republican party has decided to unite behind lies instead of remaining divided over the truth, they now have "cancel culture" GOP Rep Liz Cheney from her House leadership position today.
Now it is clear to be a GOP leader one not only has to swallow Trump's lies but to actively support them. This despite both the ex-Trump Attorney General William Barr and his successor Jeffrey Rosen stating the DOJ had investigated and found no widespread election fraud.

Incredible how quickly Trump has turned the US into a banana republic.

Edit: White House press secretary Jen Psaki on Wednesday called it "disturbing" to see House Republicans force Rep. Liz Cheney (Wyo.) from her leadership position for criticizing former President Trump's falsehoods about the 2020 election.

"It’s disturbing to see any leader, regardless of party, being attacked for simply speaking the truth.

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The Republican party has decided to unite behind lies instead of remaining divided over the truth, they now have "cancel culture" GOP Rep Liz Cheney from her House leadership position today.
Now it is clear to be a GOP leader one not only has to swallow Trump's lies but to actively support them. This despite both the ex-Trump Attorney General William Barr and his successor Jeffrey Rosen stating the DOJ had investigated and found no widespread election fraud.

Incredible how quickly Trump has turned the US into a banana republic.

And with the outing of Liz, Putin has succeeded. Populism, nationalism and racism have reached critical mass within the GOP, so now the purging begins. Where have we seen this before? (Hint: 1934)



The cycle of disinformation is self-perpetuating: A GOP politician lies, it is amplified by Fox and Co, and re-repeated by other politicians. And unfortunately the lives of your average MAGA supporter are so boring and meaningless that they crave false champions and conspiracy theories. This will be almost without serious conflict. (read: civil clashes and violence).



The Trumpublicans will almost certainly take back the house (thanks to redistricting and voter suppression) and paralyse the nation, almost certainly paving the way for a GOP White House in 2024.Sorry to be a Doomsdayer, but I can't see a good way out of this.
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Old 13.05.2021, 09:42
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Former Trump White House counsel Don McGahn will testify before the House Judiciary Committee behind closed doors about then-President Donald Trump's attempts to obstruct the Russia investigation, the House and the Justice Department announced in a court filing Wednesday night.
Better late than never?

Meanwhile, the GOP continues to whitewash the Jan 6 insurrection
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Rep. Andrew Clyde, a Georgia Republican, said point-blank: "There was no insurrection."
He added that TV footage of people in Statuary Hall taking pictures and videos could be mistaken for tourists. "If you didn't know the TV footage was a video from January the six, you would actually think it was a normal tourist visit."
Normally during tourist visits, 138 police officers are not injured. Here is some bodycam footage released by CNN of the brutal assault on one Capitol police officer (the body cam starts one minute into the video), do not watch if you are a sensitive soul or turn the sound off!
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Old 15.05.2021, 20:01
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McKissick swore loyalty to Trump, supported his lies, got his endorsements and won the vote.

Seems to be a trend by recently successfully elected Republicans like in primaries to then feel safe from Trump and to start reversing claims about election fraud so as to appeal to a wider electorate.
Wonder if McKissick will tread the same path?
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Old 15.05.2021, 21:32
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Re: Trump - post Presidency thread

The problem for the Dems is that the political, media and partisan base has become assymetrical...ie the Trumpian right is no longer respecting the rules, the main one here being factual foundation. The GOP are comfortable with authoritarian government if it ultimately brings them into power, even if it could destroy the US experiment.



This puts the Dems (and US democracy) in a lose/lose position. They can continue to push bipartisan measures, which will simply be attacked and labelled radical and socialist by the right. Or they could start attacking the right as radical and extreme, which will give the far left a greater voice and send Washington spiralling down into a partisan cold war.



Anyone see a solution here? I feel the media is key, but good luck influencing the likes of Zuckerberg and Murdoch.
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Old 15.05.2021, 21:48
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The problem for the Dems is that the political, media and partisan base has become assymetrical...ie the Trumpian right is no longer respecting the rules, the main one here being factual foundation. The GOP are comfortable with authoritarian government if it ultimately brings them into power, even if it could destroy the US experiment.

This puts the Dems (and US democracy) in a lose/lose position. They can continue to push bipartisan measures, which will simply be attacked and labelled radical and socialist by the right. Or they could start attacking the right as radical and extreme, which will give the far left a greater voice and send Washington spiralling down into a partisan cold war.

Anyone see a solution here? I feel the media is key, but good luck influencing the likes of Zuckerberg and Murdoch.
In my opinion, Biden should ignore the GOP criticisms and stick to a policy of racking up achievements so he could point to a solid track record.

So far he can point to vaccinations and hopefully soon to fixing the infrastructure.
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Old 15.05.2021, 21:58
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Re: Trump - post Presidency thread

Biden selling points:

Ending Covid (yes, he inheritated vaccines, but so what?)
Economic recovery (same)
More helicopter money (although it is stupid)
Infrastructure package (if they get one done)
Not being a nutter (the easy part)

If he doesn't get too "left" on taxes and immugration, might be enough to keep independents with him? If they vote, of course.
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Sure, everybody loves Joe, but the having the WH doesn't give you a mandate...you need both houses as well. He really only has a 18 months to make some effective change in order to counter the mid-term headwinds of redistricting and voter suppression.


If any of the chambers fall Biden will be lame duck for 2 years, almost certainly favouring the GOP in 2024.
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ie the Trumpian right is no longer respecting the rules, the main one here being factual foundation
That's a bit optimistic - it isn't just a lack of factual foundation but also suspension of disbelief across a wide swath of people.

Group think is pretty common, but usually at some point stuff goes badly wrong and people wake up and realise they've been hoodwinked. But it's really hard to see what could be extreme enough to trigger that just now - Trump's joke that he could shoot someone in public is looking scarily accurate.
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Old 16.05.2021, 09:13
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Biden selling points:

Ending Covid (yes, he inheritated vaccines, but so what?) He inherited a very inadequate rollout which he fixed and turned into a smooth and major activity
Economic recovery (same)I do not believe Presidents have any influence on the economy unless they do something really stupid and crash it. Even Trump's massive corporate tax cuts in 2017 had very little effect, companies were expected to invest in their businesses, instead, they gave their savings to shareholders.
More helicopter money (although it is stupid) A lot of voters benefited
Infrastructure package (if they get one done)
Not being a nutter (the easy part)

If he doesn't get too "left" on taxes and immigration, might be enough to keep independents with him? If they vote, of course.
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Don't disagree. I said all these points were selling points for Biden, just added my views on how I see them personally. It is obvious that politicians will claim all positive developments as a result of their actions.

So for sure, handing out money will score points with voters. I still think it is a crazy waste of money if 60% of people do not need that cash.
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Old 16.05.2021, 14:21
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Re: Trump - post Presidency thread

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Former President Donald Trump took to his new blog Saturday to repeat a widely shared claim about the Maricopa County, Arizona, election audit.

“The entire Database of Maricopa County in Arizona has been DELETED!” Trump wrote in a post, calling such action “illegal.”
The Maricopa County Republican who leads the Arizona county's elections department slammed former President Trump on Saturday, calling his comments on its 2020 election audit “unhinged.”

“Wow. This is unhinged. I’m literally looking at our voter registration database on my other screen. Right now. We can’t indulge these insane lies any longer. As a party. As a state. As a country. This is as readily falsifiable as 2+2=5. If we don’t call this out…” Maricopa County Recorded Stephen Richer wrote on Twitter.
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I still think it is a crazy waste of money if 60% of people do not need that cash.
This. And the fact that people like Gaetz's wingman and Lamborgini Man defraud the coffers meant to help people who really need it. The oldsters in our (thankfully ex-!) neighbourhood were already awash in pensions and 403(b) money, but they all got their--what? $6000 so far? There needs to be a more equitable way of disbursing the help.
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That's a bit optimistic - it isn't just a lack of factual foundation but also suspension of disbelief across a wide swath of people.

Group think is pretty common, but usually at some point stuff goes badly wrong and people wake up and realise they've been hoodwinked. But it's really hard to see what could be extreme enough to trigger that just now - Trump's joke that he could shoot someone in public is looking scarily accurate.
That applies equally to both sides, and it won't change while both only see the other's errors. litespeed's post, this thread in general, is an excellent example for this kind of thinking, it's always and exclusively the other side that's at fault.

You don't get any kind of reconciliation if "healing" means "you gotta move over to our side". But it sounds good and lets Biden/Harris claim to be the good ones, aim accomplished.
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The GOP-controlled Arizona state Senate organised farce of an “audit” of ballots cast in the presidential election in the state’s biggest county rolls on.

One of the auditors raised eyebrows when he told a reporter on camera last week that his team is using special cameras to detect bamboo in the paper, because of a conspiracy theory that 40,000 ballots were sent from Southeast Asia where bamboo is commonly grown.

The audit was supposed to finish on May 14 but they have so far audited less than a quarter of the over 2 million ballots they are checking.

Now they have to vacate the building they are using and have moved the paper ballots to temporary storage, hopefully, they will all return & in good condition.
According to the website of the temporary storage building, it is not recommended to use the building between May and September due to high temperatures.
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"New York prosecutor says Trump inquiry now 'criminal'"

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57166735
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Re: Trump - post Presidency thread

The audit farce rolls on.
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Former President Donald Trump took to his new blog Saturday to repeat a widely shared claim about the Maricopa County, Arizona, election audit.

“The entire Database of Maricopa County in Arizona has been DELETED!” Trump wrote in a post, calling such action “illegal.”
Ben Cotton, founder of CyFIR LLC, a firm that is conducting a controversial election audit in Arizona confirmed Tuesday that no data has been destroyed, contradicting claims that officials had deleted information regarding the vote tally in Maricopa County.
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