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Old 19.05.2021, 22:41
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Re: Trump - post Presidency thread

Ever more bizarre;

Albert Watkins, the attorney for Jacob Chansley, the Capitol rioter more widely known as the “QAnon Shaman,” said
"“A lot of these defendants — and I’m going to use this colloquial term, perhaps disrespectfully — but they’re all f------ short-bus people. ...
These are people with brain damage, they’re f------ retarded, they’re on the goddamn spectrum,”

&

"the rioters weren’t “bad people” but were “subjected to four-plus years of goddamn propaganda the likes of which the world has not seen since f------ Hitler.”

Watkins has repeatedly condemned the former president, writing in February court documents that Chansley would not have been in Washington, D.C., on Jan. 6 “but for the actions and the words of the President” and “but for the specific words of the then-President during his January 6, 2021 speech, the Defendant would not have walked down Pennsylvania Avenue and would not have gone into the U.S. Capitol Building.”
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Old 19.05.2021, 22:48
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Old 26.05.2021, 09:11
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Re: Trump - post Presidency thread

It was reported yesterday that a grand jury was seated in NY to weigh any criminal evidence against Trump and his company and to decide if indictments should be issued. They will have access to his tax returns and are able to issue subpoenas. Likely this jury will sit for 6 months before any final decision.

Among the accusations prosecutors are probing are if the Trump Organization inflated the value of its properties to lenders and insurers and if it paid the appropriate amount of taxes. Prosecutors are also reportedly investigating if Trump’s business gave employees benefits instead of higher salaries in an attempt to lower the company’s payroll tax burden.

Meanwhile, as the Arizona vote audit farce rolls on Pennsylvania-based Wake TSI decided not to renew its contract, which ended May 14. This was a subcontractor working under the audit’s main contractor, Cyber Ninjas, Audit spokesperson and former Arizona Republican Party Chairman Randy Pullen told the Arizona Republic that Wake TSI "didn't want to come back."
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Old 29.05.2021, 14:13
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Re: Trump - post Presidency thread

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Old 29.05.2021, 14:42
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Re: Trump - post Presidency thread

Just another example of the post-truth world where evidence collection is irrelevant and fact-free conspiracy theories win.

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Documents due in DC Superior Court last Friday could clear the way for the Trump Organization’s chief financial officer, Allen Weisselberg, to be deposed as part of a DC attorney general lawsuit that alleges former President Donald Trump’s 2017 inaugural committee abused non-profit funds.
Why Weisselberg is involved is not clear, he was never part of the committee management team. Probably related to claims the inaugural committee paid some bills incurred by the Trump organisation that was not related to the inauguration.
The major allegation is that the Trump organisation overcharged the inaugural committee by in excess of $1 million.

There are rumours that the NY investigation into the Trump organisation will make charges under the racketeering law; unusually this law specifies minimum jail sentences which will turn the heat up on people involved.
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Old 29.05.2021, 18:21
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Re: Trump - post Presidency thread

Oh, RICO--racketeering, criminal enterprise, and conspiracy...look into it. It's a very intricate and interesting branch of law with which we have some experience (on the right side of the law). This could get very, very interesting indeed. There are not many great RICO attorneys in the US, mostly in NYC and Miami (for good reason).
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Old 29.05.2021, 20:33
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Oh, RICO--racketeering, criminal enterprise, and conspiracy...look into it. It's a very intricate and interesting branch of law with which we have some experience (on the right side of the law). This could get very, very interesting indeed. There are not many great RICO attorneys in the US, mostly in NYC and Miami (for good reason).
I did look it up.
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Under RICO, a person who has committed "at least two acts of racketeering activity" drawn from a list of 35 crimes—27 federal crimes and 8 state crimes—within a 10-year period can be charged with racketeering.
It is claimed that despite its harsh provisions, a RICO-related charge is considered easy to prove in court since it focuses on patterns of behavior as opposed to criminal acts.

After Trump University and Trump Foundation, I am surprised he has not already faced RICO charges.
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Old 29.05.2021, 20:39
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Re: Trump - post Presidency thread

As much as I would enjoy seeing the guy in an orange jumpsuit, him running again in 2024 is probably the best chance for the Dems to keep the White House.
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As much as I would enjoy seeing the guy in an orange jumpsuit, him running again in 2024 is probably the best chance for the Dems to keep the White House.

Again, forget Trump, focus on Trumpism. Even if he choked on a burger tomorrow, the threat to the US will not drop one bit.



The Dems are either stupid, weak, or naive to realise their window of saving Democracy is narrowly closing. The GOP has embraced obstructionism and authoritarianism, and the 1/6 vote shows they have nothing but contempt for the country and constitution. Their end-game is POWER, and if they get it in the mid-terms, they will move very swiftly the keep it.



To me, Joe Manchin could very well be the guy who for all good intentions, will be ultimately responsible for sinking Democracy in the US.
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Old 29.05.2021, 20:55
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To me, Joe Manchin could very well be the guy who for all good intentions, will be ultimately responsible for sinking Democracy in the US.
Not easy for him. Guy needs to keep his seat in this redneck mess of a state.
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Old 29.05.2021, 21:00
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Not easy for him. Guy needs to keep his seat in this redneck mess of a state.
Well this is part of problem...politicians trading in their spines to keep their seats.
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Old 29.05.2021, 21:03
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Well this is part of problem...politicians trading in their spines to keep their seats.
Well, if not then his seat goes red in 2024. Not sure who is helped by that.
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Old 29.05.2021, 21:21
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Well, if not then his seat goes red in 2024. Not sure who is helped by that.
Two scenarios:

Manchin supports bustin the filibuster:

Dems get national voting laws / infrastructure bill / 1/6 commission =>
state voter suppression bills get voided=>
more people can vote for Manchin =>
he keeps his seat.

Manchin supports the filibuster:

Minority party continues blocking effective change including voting laws
=>State voter suppression laws take effect
=>Many who vote for Manchin can't vote
=>He and many other Dems lose their seats
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Old 29.05.2021, 23:40
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As much as I would enjoy seeing the guy in an orange jumpsuit, him running again in 2024 is probably the best chance for the Dems to keep the White House.
I think I'd rather see him in an orange jumpsuit, to be honest. He won once already and it was still rather close in 2020, at least in terms of the # of votes. I don't even want there to be a chance of him taking office again. He deserves to be in an orange jumpsuit (or at least in a straight jacket). He doesn't deserve to be President again. (It would be kind of funny to see him lose again though :P ) .
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I think I'd rather see him in an orange jumpsuit, to be honest. He won once already and it was still rather close in 2020, at least in terms of the # of votes. I don't even want there to be a chance of him taking office again. He deserves to be in an orange jumpsuit (or at least in a straight jacket). He doesn't deserve to be President again. (It would be kind of funny to see him lose again though :P ) .
I don‘t agree - he should be BANNED (from within a jail cell) from being a President again.
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Re: Trump - post Presidency thread

2020 was not close. I think Harris has a much better chance against Trump than against Haley, Carlson, DeSantis. At least here all the corruption will be obvious and at 4 years older he will look even more like the fool he is.

And as unrealistic as it is, I so would root for an independent, moderate, common sense conservative.
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Old 30.05.2021, 09:08
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It may seem simple, but RICO is anything but. It strikes fear into the most jaded heart facing charges under it. It comes with tremendous risk, both (federal-level) criminal and civil. A good RICO attorney will run $1000/hr minimum. It is a pocket of the law that attracts the brightest and most ruthless.

Its net can ensnare even tangentially-involved actors:

"A conspirator must intend to further an endeavor which, if completed, would satisfy all of the elements of a substantive RICO offense, but it suffices that he adopt the goal of furthering or facilitating the RICO endeavor(emphasis mine). He may do so in any number of ways short of agreeing to undertake all of the acts necessary for the crime’s completion. One can be a conspirator by agreeing to facilitate only some of the acts leading to the substantive offense. It makes no difference that the substantive offense under subsection (c) requires two or more predicate acts." (extract from Primerus, which, interestingly, promotes square-state practitioners)

Mr. Cohen seems to think Don Jr. and Ivanka are most at risk...
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Given DJT's track record of not paying, any such lawyer would expect at least a high 6-figure deposit up front.
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Given DJT's track record of not paying, any such lawyer would expect at least a high 6-figure deposit up front.
15 years ago we paid a $50K retainer in filing a business (civil) claim. It'll be closer to a cool mil for this one.
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Re: Trump - post Presidency thread

Here is the video of former US national security advisor Michael Flynn saying that he thinks a coup like the coup in Myanmar should happen in the US. pic.twitter.com/7mGYjfXg18
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