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So, Harris (anybody, for that matter) could be POTUS for up to ten years, but not more.
I read an article recently by a constitutional lawyer who says somebody like Harris could technically be president as often as they want. They would just have to be elected as VP and then get the elected president to step down after a due period. There is nothing in the constitution or electoral law to limit how often you can repeat that, or to bar ex presidents from serving as VP.
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I said this from the beginning, it's so clear that this will happen but no one seems to care though.
plus of course double jeapardy, which would prevent him being charged for the same offences in a regular court.
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plus of course double jeapardy, which would prevent him being charged for the same offences in a regular court.
There's no issue with double jeopardy and an impeachment acquittal. The 5th amendment makes it clear:

nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb

Impeachment doesn't involve a criminal punishment, so has no "jeopardy of life or limb".
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There's no issue with double jeopardy and an impeachment acquittal. The 5th amendment makes it clear:

nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb

Impeachment doesn't involve a criminal punishment, so has no "jeopardy of life or limb".
There never was a provision for cutting off limbs as a punishment in US law, and doing so is even forbidden by the constitution.

The term life and limb is juristically understood to mean any taking of freedom or property.
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I read an article recently by a constitutional lawyer who says somebody like Harris could technically be president as often as they want. They would just have to be elected as VP and then get the elected president to step down after a due period. There is nothing in the constitution or electoral law to limit how often you can repeat that, or to bar ex presidents from serving as VP.
There's always the Lurleen Wallace nuclear option.
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There never was a provision for cutting off limbs as a punishment in US law, and doing so is even forbidden by the constitution.

The term life and limb is juristically understood to mean any taking of freedom or property.
It's well understood that the flowery language applies to criminal penalties (imprisonment and fines, but not civil forfeiture) otherwise double jeopardy would have been discarded as a legal concept long ago.

So, what's your point? Do you still maintain that double jeopardy applies in this case?
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It's well understood that the flowery language applies to criminal penalties (imprisonment and fines, but not civil forfeiture) otherwise double jeopardy would have been discarded as a legal concept long ago.
And the charges being held against Trump are pretty much of criminal rather than civil nature, no?
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And the charges being held against Trump are pretty much of criminal rather than civil nature, no?
Impeachment is not a criminal court (nor a civil one): the Senate can't apply any criminal penalties such as prison time, fines or even the death penalty (nor civil ones such as forfeiture).

It's more like an HR proceeding because the employee was caught stealing paper clips (which is a good analogy, because this also has risks of subsequent actual criminal proceedings). The only penalty is being sacked (and whatever stems from that such as not being allowed to apply for the job again).

It's time for you to update your priors and move on in this case.
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It's time for you to update your priors and move on in this case.
And maybe it's time for you to google the concept of being nice to people and learning to disagree in a polite and civil manner. It doesn't hurt, you know.
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And maybe it's time for you to google the concept of being nice to people and learning to disagree in a polite and civil manner. It doesn't hurt, you know.
As per Aumann's agreement theorem, it's not possible for two rational agents to disagree. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt in assuming you're rational (which is a polite and civil thing to do), but you need to update your priors to get there (and they're not unreasonable priors, after all, we're talking about the text and subsequent common usage of the US Constitution).
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I said this from the beginning, it's so clear that this will happen but no one seems to care though.
Can't you show some empathy for Susie while she's rolling in her Schadenfreude!

You are such an egocentric malevolent being!
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I read an article recently by a constitutional lawyer who says somebody like Harris could technically be president as often as they want. They would just have to be elected as VP and then get the elected president to step down after a due period. There is nothing in the constitution or electoral law to limit how often you can repeat that, or to bar ex presidents from serving as VP.
Going by what you say, it would create an interesting situation if Obama ran for VP. He could run but he couldn't be inaugurated as POTUS during the first two years.

As for the double jeopardy, the 5th explicitly excludes impeachment from that protection.
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What I am really keen to find out (and hopefully it will come out soon) is exactly how much the Secret Service paid Trump businesses for food/accomodation of his protection detail when staying at Mar-a-Lago. Apparently it was in the range of USD500 per person per night.

Since 2017, they have either failed to submit the required reports or exclude the necessary detail. SS belongs to Treasury, and I think Mnuchin shredded all this on his way out the door...
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And maybe it's time for you to google the concept of being nice to people and learning to disagree in a polite and civil manner. It doesn't hurt, you know.
How in any way was that not polite? And we are the party of snow flakes?

It is honestly impolite for anyone to excuse punishment for a terrorist attack on the capitol where people died and many more could have died. And then to come up with court jargon to further excuse punishment, when you have zero knowledge of the subject and probably picked it up off of knobheaded Facebook posts.

I am happy to politely disagree with people on a variety of subjects, but the disaster & depravity that was Trump's presidency is where I draw the line. If you still support him after everything, that says a lot about the kind of person you are.
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Going by what you say, it would create an interesting situation if Obama ran for VP. He could run but he couldn't be inaugurated as POTUS during the first two years.
That would never happen ... he is happy (and wealthy) in his retirement, and both he and his wife have been open and honest about the toll his presidency took on them.
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That would never happen ... he is happy (and wealthy) in his retirement, and both he and his wife have been open and honest about the toll his presidency took on them.
It's astonishing how grey his hair went. (And pretty much every other president, although with Trump it's hard to tell there what's real and what isn't...)

Clearly, it's something to do with the stress, but the underlying mechanism is worth looking at. Grey hair is thought to be caused by hydrogen peroxide damage from the over-expression of cyclin-dependent kinase. Which leads to the obvious conclusion that glutathione levels need to be raised. (Glutathione - is there anything it can't do...?)

Glutathione is a tripeptide consisting of cysteine, glycine and glutamine. Your body uses a lot and goes easily into depletion under oxidative stress (like if you drink a lot of alcohol). The rate-limiting amino acid in the production of new glutathione is cysteine (followed by glycine; there's normally enough glutamine around). It can also be recycled if there's a shortage of the constituent amino acids (the activity of this process is what the GGT test in a liver panel is telling you) and this requires vitamin C.

So here's my presidential supplement stack (taken daily):

- 2g of n-acetyl-cysteine
- 8g of glycine
- 2g of vitamin C
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I am happy to politely disagree with people on a variety of subjects, but the disaster & depravity that was Trump's presidency is where I draw the line. If you still support him after everything, that says a lot about the kind of person you are.
So much healing...
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So much healing...
There is no healing if the bad behavior that caused the pain continues to happen. Yes, my injuries will definitely heal if someone continues to punch me in the face.

And you know ... why do we even prosecute individuals for crimes committed - we should just learn to heal right?
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How in any way was that not polite? And we are the party of snow flakes?
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Might want to read this

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/paul-...b0ed0a0016b3b3
or this
https://www.washingtonpost.com/gdpr-...onservative%2f
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There is no healing if the bad behavior that caused the pain continues to happen. Yes, my injuries will definitely heal if someone continues to punch me in the face.

And you know ... why do we even prosecute individuals for crimes committed - we should just learn to heal right?
So writing an opinion on a forum is now the same thing as committing a crime, right?
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