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Old 14.02.2021, 18:53
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During the impeachment proceedings in the Senate, the Dem side themselves said several times that it was not his actual speech but his general behavior over the last 4 years that incited it.

So a very slow motion form of imminent?
Garland will build his own case (if he does it at all), but I'd guess it would hinge Trump's 'preparation' of his base after the election to the point where he had an angry and prepared mob standing in front of him on January 6. What were his actions then?
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Old 14.02.2021, 18:58
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Disagree. This is much more a sign of the incompetence and lack of any political skill in the Dem leadership than anything else. Already a month ago it was clear that the GOP will NOT vote along the Dems. This is far more damaging now that it would have been if they had NOT proceeded with the second impeachment and had instead prosecuted Trump for taxes. Now they have absolutely cemented the perception among millions of Americans that this is a witch-hunt AND have shown that they are everything but competent in all things Senate. Pelosi should have been removed long time ago.
No! the Dems wanted to figure out if there is any disloyalty among the Republican frat boys.
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Old 14.02.2021, 21:30
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What scares me isn't Trump, but Trumpism. The concept that you can feed the masses bucketloads of lies, and serve almost exclusively your own self interest, and validate the radical extremists as your own militia, has all been tolerated and approved by the GOP.



Even if Trump disappears today, it's gonna be whack-a-mole for the next 8-12 years as the Hawleys and MTGs start running for office in their hundreds.
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Old 14.02.2021, 22:04
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What scares me isn't Trump, but Trumpism. The concept that you can feed the masses bucketloads of lies, and serve almost exclusively your own self interest, and validate the radical extremists as your own militia, has all been tolerated and approved by the GOP.
There are certainly traces of Machiavelli's ideas in Trumpism. Not that Trump has ever read any of his works, it's just that Machiavelli was so smart in predicting human behaviour. Interestingly, the personality trait of Machiavellianism (basically someone concerned only with self interest and willing to deceive and exploit to achieve his goals) is connected with narcissism and psychopathy as part of the 'Dark Triad' in psychology.

Men are so simple and so much inclined to obey immediate needs that a deceiver will never lack victims for his deceptions.
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Such as people who don't understand the meaning of the word tory?
Well there you go - just like you didn't understand anything about the American legal system.

As far as I know, "tory" means those that support the conservative party in the UK. Again, you don't see me commenting on UK political threads as if I am a tax paying member of British society.
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Re: Trump - post Presidency thread

Saw this interview with one of Donald Trumpís defence lawyers on social media and he made some very relevant points in the role of the media in current political discourse. A drum Iíve been banging for years.

https://youtu.be/F0G6mAMUAsA

Also of interest is that the New York Times have had to retract yet another story. They reported that the poor police officer who lost his life in the Capitol riots last month was bludgeoned to death with a fire extinguisher. Turns out this wasnít true, interesting timing
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There are certainly traces of Machiavelli's ideas in Trumpism.
The same applies to basically every aspect of federal US politics, in many cases to politics entirely. The times where US politicians gave precedence to necessity and usefulness over party interests have been gone for at least 3 decades.
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Old 15.02.2021, 20:04
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Well there you go - just like you didn't understand anything about the American legal system.
You brought the word up, not me.

Let me wager that you don't know very much about Czechs either.

And if you Americans are going to continue telling the rest of the world what to do, then you are going to have to accept criticism from the rest of the world too. Sorry if you thought it was a one way street.

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You brought the word up, not me.

Let me wager that you don't know very much about Czechs either.

And if you Americans are going to continue telling the rest of the world what to do, then you are going to have to accept criticism from the rest of the world too. Sorry if you thought it was a one way street.
Gosh, amogles, you really donít have basic comprehension.

I donít know about Czech politics, therefore why should I comment on their politics or pretend to be informed like you do about American politics? If you want to provide informed criticism like many other informed EF users have managed to do, then please join the conversation.
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Old 15.02.2021, 20:33
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I don’t know about Czech politics, therefore why should I comment on their politics or pretend to be informed like you do about American politics?
You attempted to use as a racist slur two groups of people you don't know very much about.

In an attempt to shut down opinions that didn't suit your point of view.

Think about it.
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Old 15.02.2021, 20:44
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You brought the word up, not me.

Let me wager that you don't know very much about Czechs either.

And if you Americans are going to continue telling the rest of the world what to do, then you are going to have to accept criticism from the rest of the world too. Sorry if you thought it was a one way street.
I feel flattered when EF gains this superimportance...as if we had any effect on American leadership. You think they read you? Shouldn't you be paid?
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Also of interest is that the New York Times have had to retract yet another story. They reported that the poor police officer who lost his life in the Capitol riots last month was bludgeoned to death with a fire extinguisher. Turns out this wasnít true, interesting timing
Interesting that it took the NYT this long to retract. The results of Officer Sicknickís autopsy were revealed last week and found no evidence of blunt force trauma. So back to square 1 on Cause of Death.
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I feel flattered when EF gains this superimportance...as if we had any effect on American leadership. You think they read you? Shouldn't you be paid?
For some people the fight against deplorables on the EF is symbolic for the ideological cleansing of the USA.
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But that said I once got into a friendly argument with a somewhat pompous and slightly deranged American in a bar in Budapest. When he left the other guy said to me, do you know who that was? It turned out he was some former security adviser to the Dubya Bush administration. I googled him and indeed it was the guy.

So the moral is, you really never know who is listening.
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Old 15.02.2021, 21:17
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Saw this interview with one of Donald Trump’s defence lawyers on social media and he made some very relevant points in the role of the media in current political discourse. A drum I’ve been banging for years.

https://youtu.be/F0G6mAMUAsA

Also of interest is that the New York Times have had to retract yet another story. They reported that the poor police officer who lost his life in the Capitol riots last month was bludgeoned to death with a fire extinguisher. Turns out this wasn’t true, interesting timing
Hurrah, another boring propaganda video.

Followed by #fakenews, the NY Times withdrew the fire extinguisher story on 12th February. Do try to stay awake at the back of the class there.
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Hurrah, another boring propaganda video.

Followed by #fakenews, the NY Times withdrew the fire extinguisher story on 12th February. Do try to stay awake at the back of the class there.
Thanks for that....I hadnít checked myself to see when the NYT actually withdrew the story.
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Gosh, amogles, you really donít have basic comprehension.
You mean that opinion that would be acceptable for you. Let's talk about the opinion, not amogles or his comprehension.

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donít know about Czech politics, therefore why should I comment on their politics or pretend to be informed like you do about American politics? If you want to provide informed criticism like many other informed EF users have managed to do, then please join the conversation.
Amogles has joined before you authorised him. Ton of other people did. Czech, Brits, Swiss, Romanians, Italians..other threads host Swedes, Germans, should the threads be reserved for certain passports? Political parties? That would be boring. I want to see your opinions on Swiss topics and others.
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Interesting that it took the NYT this long to retract. The results of Officer Sicknickís autopsy were revealed last week and found no evidence of blunt force trauma. So back to square 1 on Cause of Death.
Do you have a source for your claim "the results of Officer Sicknickís autopsy were revealed last week", so far as I know they are still a secret?
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But that said I once got into a friendly argument with a somewhat pompous and slightly deranged American in a bar in Budapest. When he left the other guy said to me, do you know who that was? It turned out he was some former security adviser to the Dubya Bush administration. I googled him and indeed it was the guy.

So the moral is, you really never know who is listening.
The one who died under very mysterious circumstances? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_P._Wheeler_III (seriously - really weird, and he was definitely deranged)
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Do you have a source for your claim "the results of Officer Sicknickís autopsy were revealed last week", so far as I know they are still a secret?
Even if not directly caused by blunt force trauma, taking a heavy blow to a vital blood vessel can cause a stroke.
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