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Old 19.02.2021, 23:35
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Re: Rush Limbaugh death reported

https://people.com/politics/rush-lim...rsial-moments/

For those who refuse to see his ability to incite hatred, just remember that's how the Jewish Holocaust started. His hatred speech should have caused him to be banned, much like Trump's tweets are now banned.

Perhaps we've finally made some progress in realizing hate speech needs to be stamped as a felony.
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For those who refuse to see his ability to incite hatred, just remember that's how the Jewish Holocaust started. His hatred speech should have caused him to be banned, much like Trump's tweets are now banned.

Perhaps we've finally made some progress in realizing hate speech needs to be stamped as a felony.
This is a logical fallacy.

Hate speech is speech that the government defines to be hate.

If Hitler had been allowed to define what was hate speech, that wouldn't have saved one Jew.
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This is a logical fallacy.

Hate speech is speech that the government defines to be hate.

If Hitler had been allowed to define what was hate speech, that wouldn't have saved one Jew.
Your last sentence doesn't make sense.
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Old 20.02.2021, 00:57
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Your last sentence doesn't make sense.
Hitler was in government, therefore he was the one who would have got to define whose speech was hate speech. So he would have used such laws to shut down the speech of people criticizing the persecution of Jews. Not the speech of those advocating it.

Banning hate speech just means giving the government more powers of censorship.

If somebody like Hitler were to come to power again, he would love hate speech laws as they would give him a "legitimate" and easy path to shut down opposition.

So be careful what you wish for as you may get it.
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Hitler was in government, therefore he was the one who would have got to define whose speech was hate speech. So he would have used such laws to shut down the speech of people criticizing the persecution of Jews. Not the speech of those advocating it.

Banning hate speech just means giving the government more powers of censorship.

If somebody like Hitler were to come to power again, he would love hate speech laws as they would give him a "legitimate" and easy path to shut down opposition.

So be careful what you wish for as you may get it.
But he did just that.
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Old 20.02.2021, 03:25
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But he did just that.
exactly.
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The worst thing about Rush's spewing hate publicly was that it's legal.

Which it shouldn't be.
While I can agree with you on this statement, I can also argue that hate speech is invoked way too often when it's not exactly the case and usually it's very selective. The whole anti-racism fight is very selective imo.

I believe that people like this guy will always exist and will always have their audience, however limited. I'd rather let him talk (yes, I came to this conclusion, the more hateful one is the more you can see right through their agenda) and let society reacts. That's the work to be done. A healthy society will immediately react to these excesses, like an immune system that has caught a bug. I might be wrong, but I think we're all much more educated than in Germany during last century, the thirties. Or are we not? If we aren't educated and the whole media, govs are doing a lousy job in these regards, then that's a bigger problem we have than the fact that this guy existed and expressed his views. IMHO

....and one more thing: hate (hate back) will never solve anything. The victims of hate speech usually know it's not their burden to carry.

Of course, as always I reserve my right to change my opinions. Hope I didn't bother anyone.

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Old 20.02.2021, 11:27
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Re: Rush Limbaugh death reported

Sarah Palin was legally allowed to use a target list to single out politcians that should be taken out. On the list was Gabriela Giffords, who was shot in the head by one of Sarah's supporters. Gabriela survived but will have long-lasting effects caused by the wound.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/sarah...s-gun_n_511433

Donald Trump used hate speech through twitter and his presidential platform to incite the storming of the White House. Trump has now been banned from Twitter and was impeached again and unfortunately aquitted again.

Rush Limbaugh's horrific statements found a following among the white folks that encouraged continued hatred towards anything different. We will never know how many minorities were directly affected by caucasians who felt empowered to show their disdain for anything "different."

Thankfully, there's finally a trend to report and ban hate speech, as seen by Twitter and Facebook's recent change in enforcing their terms and conditions. Even in Switzerland, there's a movement to report hate speech and counter it through various strategies, as seen in this article:
https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/swiss-a...line-/46261546

I'm old enough to see how hate speech can empower people to release their inner demons, which is why I'm strongly against any public media outlets that support talk shows that can indirectly incite violence.

I still don't understand the Hitler remarks probably as I'm not of the same mind set as MusicChick, Amogles, etc. Hitler's hate speech empowered Germans to accuse the Jews of Germany's misery and attack them accordingly. Historians, of course, state Germany's vulnerable position after World War 1 led to the rise of Nazism and its propoganda.

Go to Berlin and visit its symbolic monuments to the horrors of World War 2, lest we forget, and perhaps then you'll realize the power hate speech has.
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Old 20.02.2021, 11:47
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Re: Rush Limbaugh death reported

You know guys, when someone starts pulling out the nazi card, that we call now Reductio ad Hitlerum , sorry but it's fallacious and rhetorical in so many ways.

This means, either you can participate in the dialogue, debate on the given topic and answer or ask questions or you got stuck , or you have just a superficial knowledge to what you're talking about... then, it is "hitler" "oh the nazi" "hitler this hitler that " ...

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So far , Susie or that boy who told me how I need another thread (yet this one is available since it's not about mourning quite the opposite) , havent answered , ...how come Limbaugh is the bad guy but people who put him there , financed him arent the ones who you wish to attack ? ... or other political figures who are from the opposite side who apparently are not having any interest in supporting a person like Rush but had the power to take him down , question publicly "in democracy should we allow a show like that one" ? Well , no .
Again, how is his work any different to what a soldier on a mission does ?

Those who put these people on a "mission" should be your target otherwise it's just a show-off like "look at me I'm so righteous, against hate speech,bigotry etc" hate Limbaugh sooo much ... but you do know how it if wasnt him (this soldier) another wouldnt been put on that spot since the problem is , those in power who need and create such *jobs* .
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Old 20.02.2021, 12:01
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Re: Rush Limbaugh death reported

I've given evidence of recent repurcussions of hate speech which you ignored completely. Who's trying to manipulate the dialogue now?

Edit: Your questions regarding who employed Rush as a talkshow host is relevant. Of course it was the radio stations who realized Rush attracted a loyal crowd. It wasn't relevant to them what kind of crowd, unfortunately. And so his popularity grew.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rush_L...84.5%20million.
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You know guys, when someone starts pulling out the nazi card, that we call now Reductio ad Hitlerum , sorry but it's fallacious and rhetorical in so many ways.

This means, either you can participate in the dialogue, debate on the given topic and answer or ask questions or you got stuck , or you have just a superficial knowledge to what you're talking about... then, it is "hitler" "oh the nazi" "hitler this hitler that " ...

To go back to the topic...
So far , Susie or that boy who told me how I need another thread (yet this one is available since it's not about mourning quite the opposite) , havent answered , ...how come Limbaugh is the bad guy but people who put him there , financed him arent the ones who you wish to attack ? ... or other political figures who are from the opposite side who apparently are not having any interest in supporting a person like Rush but had the power to take him down , question publicly "in democracy should we allow a show like that one" ? Well , no .
Again, how is his work any different to what a soldier on a mission does ?

Those who put these people on a "mission" should be your target otherwise it's just a show-off like "look at me I'm so righteous, against hate speech,bigotry etc" hate Limbaugh sooo much ... but you do know how it if wasnt him (this soldier) another wouldnt been put on that spot since the problem is , those in power who need and create such *jobs* .
I guess you are sober now? As your words are mostly comprehensible this morning, so I will answer you even though I already had previously.

First of all, this thread is about Rush Limbaugh and nobody else. I never said I think Rush Limbaugh is Hitler or the worst person to ever exist. There are many bad players in the system, he was one of them. As I told you before, please read meloncollie’s post - she explains perfectly the damage Limbaugh caused.
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Old 20.02.2021, 12:32
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Re: Rush Limbaugh death reported

Good old Rush pulled out the Nazi card time and again. While he was not responsible for the term, he made “feminazi” popular among his listeners.

Pot, kettle?

So please don’t lecture us about kindness. I’ll not celebrate his death, but he was no hero.
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Death is death.

No more, no less.

Pity you don't get that.

I wouldn't mourn the death of any political figure, actually, they ALL suck. Part of the job.

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To go back to the topic...
So far , Susie or that boy who told me how I need another thread (yet this one is available since it's not about mourning quite the opposite) , havent answered , ...how come Limbaugh is the bad guy but people who put him there , financed him arent the ones who you wish to attack ? ... or other political figures who are from the opposite side who apparently are not having any interest in supporting a person like Rush but had the power to take him down , question publicly "in democracy should we allow a show like that one" ? Well , no .
Again, how is his work any different to what a soldier on a mission does ?

Those who put these people on a "mission" should be your target otherwise it's just a show-off like "look at me I'm so righteous, against hate speech,bigotry etc" hate Limbaugh sooo much ... but you do know how it if wasnt him (this soldier) another wouldnt been put on that spot since the problem is , those in power who need and create such *jobs* .
I haven't answered as I don't really give a f*** about the discussion of those other topics. Are you in your early 20s and are just now realizing the truth of the other statements you are making? I had the same awakening as you many years ago. I am not disagreeing with you. No interest on my part in partaking in that discussion.

I never said that Limbaugh was "The" bad guy. I am saying that Limbaugh was a piece of sh!t. End of.
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Patxi, I love your attitude that bratty one First, you popped in to say things "oh you agreed politically with Rush" but he was awful , you'd piss on his grave ...Then , when you're asked to just do a simple comparison , you react "CANT talk on other topics!"

What you are doing is only stating the obvious "Rush -was- a horrible- person-" and according to your logic , that's deep and profound , not immature..

But then, when I take this further by saying "Ok, he was an awful person" , BUT let's go and look at WHO really puts and allows people like him to reach out to a large audience..
Who profits out of it ???
Or, if we agree how we live in democratic society how come let's say Obama's administration did nothing in order to take him down or at least expose him or shake his cage ? just like they did this to journalists who were investigating and reporting a bit too much about The Deepwater Horizon oil spill , or Haiti $$ fondations ... and that's why Christ Hedges did call them faux-liberals.

"He described recent Democratic presidents Bill Clinton and Barack Obama as faux-liberals who “use that traditional feel-your-pain language of liberalism and yet betray all its core values.”

As I said, if it's childish to you the fact how I'm saying "yeah this guy is bad but let's see who pulls really the strings, " then be it
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Old 20.02.2021, 15:16
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Re: Rush Limbaugh death reported

Fox now has Tuck Carlson who clearly is doing it for the money and publicity. I'm not even sure he believes himself in all that stuff he says but he certainly likes the adoration, power and money that comes with it.
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Fox now has Tuck Carlson who clearly is doing it for the money and publicity. I'm not even sure he believes himself in all that stuff he says but he certainly likes the adoration, power and money that comes with it.
And the faux outrage. Failed actor somewhere? Phony baloney preppie.
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Old 20.02.2021, 15:58
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Re: Rush Limbaugh death reported

Jon Stewart was a guest star on the Nanny.
Bill Maher was on Murder She Wrote and I believe he was in Law and Order too.

I think there's a market for actors to become political "comedians."
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Re: Rush Limbaugh death reported

Susie, yes sober now but this hangover... omg

I actually read melloncollie post and I loved it. In such elegant way her comment spoke about human absurdity, the Rise of a one man and his verbal brutality and fall of a nation ...

Then at the end of it, I felt as if I was manipulated , there was something quite inconsistent and it did sound as fanboying..

I expected you as a gutsy woman who knows things to reply to that... something like "hmm , tea party, quannon , are evil, really ?" what did they do so bad that can beat the tragedy of Flint,Michigan? and who's behind that misery? A Big Corp. ? protected by different administrations , how come they're never put on first as the "evil" or the bad guys .. ??

I thought you'll explain to meloncollie how Rush is just a manufactured project put there to pollute , divide people , create hate .. Which even Roscoe Pound explained how by using the principles social engineering through laws(in this era , media , tech business) are used as a means to shape society and regulate people's behaviour.
Why I'm saying this? Again, because Limbaugh was there because some big guys who participate in the business how to shape your opinion, define who's your enemy, orient you who'll you hold responsible for the regress.. never ever do things "by accident" ,.. it's not by accident how the network that had this show belong to Bain Capital and oh by accident never took it off , as if they didnt realise how "destructive forces" will take over .

Bottom line, some people here love to play that game, liberals vs republicans ... left-right politics , while it's obvious and clear how there's only Top VS Bottom.
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while it's obvious and clear how there's only Top VS Bottom.
Well, it took a while to get there, but that's the gist of it, folks.
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