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I migrated to Switzerland to get away from this woke BS.
Fine upstanding folks like you should make the SVP reconsider their stance on immigration. Been in touch yet?

Also, this „woke BS“ is here to stay. Because it‘s not BS. See here: https://www.tagblatt.ch/leben/fuehre...etz-ld.2128132 (Thanks for reading, understanding and voting to those who can!)

People can show pretty antisocial behaviour on social media, indeed. But even when they are, it‘s always interesting to see who‘s doing it. IMHO it means they have no good arguments. „Because I say so“ doesn‘t count.

slammer, interesting to hear you worked in the food industry. It gives more credibility to your assertions. Still, I‘m puzzled: are you implying the BAFU simply invents their statistics? Does the food industry itself provide any figures? The boredpanda link is interesting but it doesn‘t argue against the BAFU‘s figures: most food wasted with the end consumers, not with the industry. (Didn’t double-check, correct me if I’m wrong.) It’s been many years since I learned the term „dumpster diving“ so the issue must‘ve been around for a while. But could it have gotten worse in the years you‘ve been away from the industry? Forgive me for perseverating; I‘m not comfortable with „discussions“ that boil down to people calling each other‘s facts alternative. As reasonable adult human beings, shouldn‘t we be able to reach some degree of agreement on a difference that boils down to (basically) verifiable numbers? (Yeah, I‘m a nerd. No need to call me one.)
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Fine upstanding folks like you should make the SVP reconsider their stance on immigration. Been in touch yet?

Also, this „woke BS“ is here to stay. Because it‘s not BS. See here: https://www.tagblatt.ch/leben/fuehre...etz-ld.2128132 (Thanks for reading, understanding and voting to those who can!)

People can show pretty antisocial behaviour on social media, indeed. But even when they are, it‘s always interesting to see who‘s doing it. IMHO it means they have no good arguments. „Because I say so“ doesn‘t count.

slammer, interesting to hear you worked in the food industry. It gives more credibility to your assertions. Still, I‘m puzzled: are you implying the BAFU simply invents their statistics? Does the food industry itself provide any figures? The boredpanda link is interesting but it doesn‘t argue against the BAFU‘s figures: most food wasted with the end consumers, not with the industry. (Didn’t double-check, correct me if I’m wrong.) It’s been many years since I learned the term „dumpster diving“ so the issue must‘ve been around for a while. But could it have gotten worse in the years you‘ve been away from the industry? Forgive me for perseverating; I‘m not comfortable with „discussions“ that boil down to people calling each other‘s facts alternative. As reasonable adult human beings, shouldn‘t we be able to reach some degree of agreement on a difference that boils down to (basically) verifiable numbers? (Yeah, I‘m a nerd. No need to call me one.)
You should have seen me in my chef´s hat and white rags with a wraparound apron, I even had the checkered pants.
Not saying BAFU invented any stats but they are not showing the full picture in my opinion.
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You should have seen me in my chef´s hat and white rags with a wraparound apron, I even had the checkered pants.
Not saying BAFU invented any stats but they are not showing the full picture in my opinion.
I totally bow to your cooking expertise, not something I ever excelled at... still, where can we get the full picture? If no better sources exist, why aren‘t they out there?
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At last proof that Greta Thunberg is a Bunny hugger !

BBC News - Greta Thunberg becomes a bunny hugger on Twitter
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At last proof that Greta Thunberg is a Bunny hugger !

BBC News - Greta Thunberg becomes a bunny hugger on Twitter
Still no surprise following Boris Johnson's cringeworthy remarks to US President Joe Biden at his
virtual climate summit this week.

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Still no surprise following Boris Johnson's cringeworthy remarks to US President Joe Biden at his
virtual climate summit this week.

Boris Johnson's remarks at the virtual climate summit
Perhaps Mr. BoJo (and others like him) would like to think about recycling UK's own trash and not (illegally) dumping it in poorer countries......
But seriously, what is it with all these middle-aged males (and females) being obsessed with teen environment activist Greta Thunberg? What are all these cheap remarks and stings supposed to mean? Are they constructive, in any way, shape and form? I would say it's a good sign that the new generation is more preoccupied with the environment than they were/are. After all the future belongs to them.
He didn't call her out directly, it's the army of "anti-woke" keyboard warriors that will make it all about her. She's just a person.

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At last proof that Greta Thunberg is a Bunny hugger !

BBC News - Greta Thunberg becomes a bunny hugger on Twitter
He is hilarious

Looks like at last a proof of English humor. Politicians (and queen's hubbies) also have it.

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He is hilarious

Looks like at last a proof of English humor. Politicians (and queen's hubbies) also have it.


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He is hilarious

Looks like at last a proof of English humor. Politicians (and queen's hubbies) also have it.[/IMG]
Greta herself can be hilarious too. When she literally threw Trump‘s words about anger management back at him...! RIP Prince Philip.

More „woke BS“, this time from NASA: https://climate.nasa.gov/news/3061/2...nalysis-shows/ I do get that climate skeptics aren’t going to believe what they read in the Guardian. But isn‘t NASA above suspicion? Hmmm... do they see it as part of the Deep State thing? But isn‘t that a conspiracy theory? Genuine question. My Germanic Weltanschauung is out of date.
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Greta herself can be hilarious too. When she literally threw Trump‘s words about anger management back at him...! RIP Prince Philip.

More „woke BS“, this time from NASA: https://climate.nasa.gov/news/3061/2...nalysis-shows/ I do get that climate skeptics aren’t going to believe what they read in the Guardian. But isn‘t NASA above suspicion? Hmmm... do they see it as part of the Deep State thing? But isn‘t that a conspiracy theory? Genuine question. My Germanic Weltanschauung is out of date.
Hmm, some here believe(d) in everything Trump had to say and were in love with his style. They found him hilarious too and demolished everyone who had an opinion about the big guy. So probably NASA is part of a big democrat conspiracy too and a leftie/woke thingie, like many other prestigious institutions - woke! dam' left. You can't understand EF if you haven't been around in the past few years.
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He is hilarious

Looks like at last a proof of English humor. Politicians (and queen's hubbies) also have it.

British humor seems to be alive.......in Australia

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Because the impact on the cities could be catastrophic, as people will fight to survive. And the global urbanisation is not finished at all. Only in 2009 number of city dwellers equalled the number of rural population and it is projected that in 2050, two thirds will be living in cities.
At the same time most of the megacities (but not all) are coastal cites. Many of those cities have already claimed land from the sea, or have plans to do it.
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This is surely incorrect. The whole of Australia, New Zealand, USA is 80% urban?

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This is surely incorrect. The whole of Australia, New Zealand, USA is 80% urban?
Population wise they are:

Oz, 86.12%:

https://tradingeconomics.com/austral...l-wb-data.html

NZ, 87.2%:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_...of_New_Zealand

US, 82.46%:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...united-states/
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Hmm, some here believe(d) in everything Trump had to say and were in love with his style. They found him hilarious too and demolished everyone who had an opinion about the big guy. So probably NASA is part of a big democrat conspiracy too and a leftie/woke thingie, like many other prestigious institutions - woke! dam' left. You can't understand EF if you haven't been around in the past few years.
Alternative facts? In a significant proportion of EF members? Yikes. Good thing I‘m too green to vote SVP. It would be a sore temptation to, er, Make Switzerland Great Again? Mary Trump‘s book was scary.

I did look at older climate change threads after reading your reply. The one called „what‘s behind it“ (or something similar) did start out peddling conspiracy theories over ten years ago - endorsed by posters I‘d come to see as quite reasonable. Hopefully, the tenor would be different today. Live and learn. In Switzerland, I get a sense that priorities are starting to shift. In my youth, opposition to big highway projects like the Rosengarten in Zurich or the Westast in Biel/Bienne wouldn‘t have stood a chance. It may have to do with the fact that even middle-aged people remember cooler times. We used to skate on frozen ponds on a regular basis in the 80s. Now, it‘s a small sensation when that happens in the Mittelland. And the dwindling glaciers are impossible to overlook.
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Re: After the Pandemic comes Climate Change armageddon says Attenborough

The great flood of 1848-1849 happened ever before an internal combustion engine was on the planet.Just putting it out there.
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The great flood of 1848-1849 happened ever before an internal combustion engine was on the planet.Just putting it out there.
Ha, the sea level has risen 120 meters since the last glacial maximum about 20K or so years ago
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really?

The Rosengarten tunnel would have been completed in the 1970s if it wasn't for opposition back then.

I think if anything the opposition to this type of thing has been weakening of late. Just the fact that somebody thought the time might be right to start talking about it again might be a clue.

And seeing you like to bash the SVP, it may well be that the party leadership recommended supporting the project in a rather lukewarm and evasive manner, but the rank and file were pretty much against it. At least in the Stadt Zürich section of the party (I was there at the briefing). The support at the polls came mostly from the centrist part of the political spectrum IMHO, and from people living in the rural parts of the canton who have no idea what is actually going on.

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How come you have better sources, and what are they? Have you ever seen the heaps of old bread in foodsharing pickup spots like these? https://foodsharing.network/?page=fairteiler&bid=108 I happen to know a couple of activists who go collecting unsold food from bakeries and so on. I know most people prefer to believe the problem doesn‘t exist. But it‘s right under our noses.
I have seen with my own eyes in Spain entire fields of ripe tomatoes being ploughed into the soil.

I asked locals and they said the farmer gets EU subsidies for growing them. But if he produces more than his allowance he can't sell them. So I asked, why then does he produce more than his allowance, and they said, because you can't always predict the quantity and quality of what you grow.

So the problem seems to be people sitting in offices and making regulations who don't have a clue what's actually going on.

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Writing about the Amish on the Southwest Chief got me remembering other moments. On the same train, there was a youngster with a guitar and a lovely voice singing folk classics like „Five hundred miles“, one of just a few non-Amish people in the lounge car. The Amish were such a cheerful bunch that they challenged all my prejudices about traditional religious communities (acquired mainly from a former fellow pupil from the Emmental). And they recognise and understand Swiss German! Add some odd scenes along the way: blinking, moving red lights in pitch-dark Kansas that turned out not to be UFOs but the rotating blades of wind turbines. And actual oil rigs in California, perhaps once in a lifetime. And oodles of surprisingly unspoiled coast. And stations that reminded me of the one in Chicago crumbling in Koyaanisqatsi.
Who are you telling?

I remember waking up somewhere in the mid west and looking out of the window of my sleeper compartment and seeing so many stars and thinking, never from a train was I able to see so many stars. I then checked my phone to know what this wonderful location was and there was no signal.

I also have happy memories of the communal seating in the train restaurant where I had many fascinating conversations. I always felt people on trains were a shade above the average.


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And a Caledonian sleeper, some day.
I went to Fort William on the Caledonian once. Absolutely magic.

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Those probably have new-fangled wagons, but on night trains for locals like Wroclaw-Leba in Poland, they still had windows that opened and allowed us to hear the gulls and smell the sea quite recently. (They don‘t speak much English in Leba; OTOH they do in Ljubljana and Krakow.)
I went from Budapest to Transylvania on a night train once. They still had cars that reminded me of the ones we had over here when I was a kid. Very soft beds and windows you could slide down and a conductor on every car who would serve snacks and hot and cold drinks. The interior paneled in dark wood veneer. The train would stop for longer periods of time at small stations and people would get off and chat and by the next morning everybody was friends.

But the best train of all was the sadly discontinued Pau Casals from Zurich to Barcelona, and the best place was the bar. I had some really good conversations there and met some really great people, ranging from a concert cello player travelling with his baroque era instrument (he even played a little demonstration), a relatively famous Swiss literary critic who recited poetry, and a guy who offered me a job and who I ended up working for for three years.

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really?

The Rosengarten tunnel would have been completed in the 1970s if it wasn't for opposition back then.

I think if anything the opposition to this type of thing has been weakening of late. Just the fact that somebody thought the time might be right to start talking about it again might be a clue.

And seeing you like to bash the SVP, it may well be that the party leadership recommended supporting the project in a rather lukewarm and evasive manner, but the rank and file were pretty much against it. At least in the Stadt Zürich section of the party (I was there at the briefing). The support at the polls came mostly from the centrist part of the political spectrum IMHO, and from people living in the rural parts of the canton who have no idea what is actually going on.

I have seen with my own eyes in Spain entire fields of ripe tomatoes being ploughed into the soil.

I asked locals and they said the farmer gets EU subsidies for growing them. But if he produces more than his allowance he can't sell them. So I asked, why then does he produce more than his allowance, and they said, because you can't always predict the quantity and quality of what you grow.

So the problem seems to be people sitting in offices and making regulations who don't have a clue what's actually going on.

Who are you telling?

I remember waking up somewhere in the mid west and looking out of the window of my sleeper compartment and seeing so many stars and thinking, never from a train was I able to see so many stars. I then checked my phone to know what this wonderful location was and there was no signal.

I also have happy memories of the communal seating in the train restaurant where I had many fascinating conversations. I always felt people on trains were a shade above the average.

I went to Fort William on the Caledonian once. Absolutely magic.

I went from Budapest to Transylvania on a night train once. They still had cars that reminded me of the ones we had over here when I was a kid. Very soft beds and windows you could slide down and a conductor on every car who would serve snacks and hot and cold drinks. The interior paneled in dark wood veneer. The train would stop for longer periods of time at small stations and people would get off and chat and by the next morning everybody was friends.

But the best train of all was the sadly discontinued Pau Casals from Zurich to Barcelona, and the best place was the bar. I had some really good conversations there and met some really great people, ranging from a concert cello player travelling with his baroque era instrument (he even played a little demonstration), a relatively famous Swiss literary critic who recited poetry, and a guy who offered me a job and who I ended up working for for three years.
Yes, they were in love with concrete in the 60s and 70s. But by „in my youth“, I meant the time I started to follow politics, i.e. about the mid-eighties. It‘ll be interesting to see how things develop.

Pau Casals sat firmly on my bucket list during all of our daughter‘s pre-school years, and I was disappointed to see it go. But they‘re reintroducing a night train from Zurich to Barcelona! Here‘s hoping it will have a bar. Good to see an SVP member? sympathiser? who acknowledges the existence of food waste and the magic of night trains

(Bashing is usually not my style. I was trying to get that person’s goat, and that seemed an easy way to do it, given that most folks on EF are immigrants and some have been quite vocal about their disapproval of the anti-immigrant SVP on other threads. One of my numerous scientist relatives is politically active in a conservative village, and she says the SVPler at that local level are pragmatic and great to work with.)
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