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Old 21.05.2021, 13:12
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Re: Controversy surrounding the introduction of Covid Passports

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Are vaccination passports becoming political ?

Namely with many proposed vaccination passports listing those vaccines that are approved as qualifying
for the passports and obviously those that are not approved being excluded.

Are people who didn't get innoculated by an approved Covid-19 vaccine going to accept being refused
a Covid vaccination passport; even if the vaccine was approved internationally by the WHO or other
world health bodies.

Are vaccination passports becoming politicised as - surprise, surprise Russia's Sputnik V and China's
Sinovac vaccines are ( as far as I'm aware ) not on any of the proposed vaccination passport
qualifying vaccines.

So is this another way of pressuring Russia and China over the freedom of travel of it's citizens,
on top of sanctions.
The Russian Covid passport is a QR code with data on the vaccination against the Covid-19 virus passed. Vaccination information is stored in the registry of the Russian Ministry of Health.
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Old 21.05.2021, 13:18
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We seem to be around 20 per 100,000 per day, so around 140 a week. Or am I missing something?
Presumably they are meaning the simple 14 day average, total cases in two weeks divided by 14
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Old 21.05.2021, 23:41
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Re: Controversy surrounding the introduction of Covid Passports

Spain is welcoming vaccinated Americans to the country starting June 7, not waiting for the European Union to set its own date for reopening borders that were closed for the coronavirus pandemic.

Americans will need to prove they are two weeks past their second dose of the Moderna or Pfizer vaccine or two weeks past the single shot of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine, the Tourist Office of Spain told USA Today on Friday.

In the absence of national US COVID passports, it is not clear how Americans will prove this.
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Old 22.05.2021, 20:40
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Re: Controversy surrounding the introduction of Covid Passports

Now we can go shopping in Germany without negative tests or proof of vaccination.
Restaurants in Baden-Württemberg are open and I have spoken with a number of people who were expecting to combine shopping with a meal or at least coffee and cake.
They tell me all the restaurants are demanding negative tests or proof of vaccination before offering any services, even on the outside terraces.
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proof of vaccination.
Don’t leave home without it ...
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Now we can go shopping in Germany without negative tests or proof of vaccination.
Restaurants in Baden-Württemberg are open and I have spoken with a number of people who were expecting to combine shopping with a meal or at least coffee and cake.
They tell me all the restaurants are demanding negative tests or proof of vaccination before offering any services, even on the outside terraces.
Spent the morning in Freiburg im Breisgau and didn’t see any request for proof of vaccination. A couple of cafes asked for contact details and some of the larger shops like Karstadt wanted contact details prior to entry and others couldn’t care less. The town was bustling - queues for the car park when we left. Despite the restrictions people seemed happy to be out & about and in good spirits.
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In the absence of national US COVID passports, it is not clear how Americans will prove this.
With some flimsy piece of paper that may or may not be authentic. The good thing is that many of the anti-vaxxers are also anti-Europe, so they won't come. The danger is that, if they do, they will mix with (mostly) unvaxxed young service people. If those peeps get sick, the whole thing will unravel because they will have to close hotel after hotel.
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EU digital COVID Certificate

Latest on the EU. My source wishes to remain anonymous.

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On 17 March 2021 the EU Commission (EC) adopted a legislative proposal to create a “Digital Green Certificate” to facilitate safe free movement inside the EU during the COVID-19 pandemic.
Today, the EU member states formally supported the compromise agreement reached on 20 May with the EU Parliament on the (newly called) “EU digital COVID Certificate”.
Compromised political agreement include:
Affordable and accessible tests
Member states are encouraged to ensure that tests are affordable and widely available, and 100 million euro will be available for the purchase of tests under the Emergency Support Instrument.
Travel restrictions
It remains up to national governments to decide whether travellers with a certificate have to quarantine or get tested.
Member states should refrain from imposing additional travel restrictions, such as testing or quarantine, unless they are proportionate and necessary to safeguard public health.
If they decide to introduce travel restrictions, member states must inform the other member states and the Commission, if possible 48 hours in advance.
They must clarify the reasons for such restrictions, their scope and the start date and duration.
This information should be published 24 hours before the measures come into effect.
Phasing-in period
For a period of six weeks, citizens whose certificates were issued before 1 July will be able to travel within the EU using those certificates.
If a member state is not ready to issue certificates in the new format by 1 July, it will have six weeks from that date to introduce the new EU digital COVID certificate format. National certificates in other formats will be accepted during the phasing-in period.
Types of vaccine
When a person presents a vaccination certificate for one of the vaccines approved by the European Medicines Agency (EMA), member states will be obliged to accept it for the purpose of facilitating freedom of movement. The proposed legislation gives member states the option to accept vaccination certificates issued for vaccines which have been authorised nationally or have completed the WHO (World Health Organisation) emergency listing process.
Types of test
Only PCR and rapid antigen tests will be accepted as proof of a negative test result.
Only PCR tests will be accepted as proof of recovery. Rapid antigen tests, serological tests or other validated methods might be accepted at a later stage if scientific evidence becomes available.
Next steps
The European Parliament is expected to vote on the agreed text at its plenary session on 7-10 June. The regulations shall be published in the Official Journal of the EU and apply from 1 July 2021.
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Re: Controversy surrounding the introduction of Covid Passports

As from today people in France will need proof of vaccination, a negative test or recent recovery
from Covid to enter most museums and cinemas amid latest developments arising from the surge in
Covid infections from the Delta variant.

BBC News - Covid, France rolls out health pass as cases soar
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Old 21.07.2021, 11:25
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As from today people in France will need proof of vaccination, a negative test or recent recovery
from Covid to enter most museums and cinemas amid latest developments arising from the surge in
Covid infections from the Delta variant.

BBC News - Covid, France rolls out health pass as cases soar
Seems pointless as you can easily have been vaccinated and have the Delta.
Pressure tactics to get people vaccinated (which I’m in favour of for the adult population).
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Seems pointless as you can easily have been vaccinated and have the Delta.
Pressure tactics to get people vaccinated (which I’m in favour of for the adult population).
Key point being you can be fully vaccinated, have the delta, and only spread it to other fully vaccinated people and you all have a minimal chance of severe illness from it.
I hate to say it, but it'll just be a flu for most vaccinated people.
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Re: Controversy surrounding the introduction of Covid Passports

Nightclubs in England start asking for the NHS Covid vaccination Pass before admittance.

BBC News - Nightclubs start asking for NHS Covid pass in England
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Old 30.07.2021, 07:12
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Nightclubs in England start asking for the NHS Covid vaccination Pass before admittance.

BBC News - Nightclubs start asking for NHS Covid pass in England
But when you read the article, it says ‘some’ nightclubs, and later on, quantifies it as 18 nightclubs in total.
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Old 30.07.2021, 09:04
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Re: Controversy surrounding the introduction of Covid Passports

Will other countries follow?
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Re: Controversy surrounding the introduction of Covid Passports

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Nightclubs in England start asking for the NHS Covid vaccination Pass before admittance.

BBC News - Nightclubs start asking for NHS Covid pass in England
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...passports.html

More than FIFTY Tory MPs are ready to vote against 'misguided' Covid passports after Government is accused of introducing them 'by stealth' by quietly updating NHS app - as Dominic Raab says they 'make sense' for returning to the office
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Will other countries follow?
Seems to have extremely limited scope.

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“Restriction is for domestic air travel and people travelling from Pakistan to abroad or from abroad to Pakistan are exempted from restriction. It is also not applicable on link flights if these are within 72 hours of arrival or departure,” according to an NCOC document.

Partially vaccinated people, foreign nationals, Pakistani nationals having documentary proof of vaccination abroad and patients with clinical conditions will be exempted from the restriction, it said.
If I read this right then only applicable for domestic flights and foreign nationals are exempt.
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Old 30.07.2021, 11:41
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Re: Controversy surrounding the introduction of Covid Passports

I’m in 2 minds about this showing you are vaccinated malarkey.
On the one hand, nice to know your fellow air passengers are vaccinated, or your work colleagues, but where does it end?
A scanner before you get into a supermarket ?

That said, the cesspit of the London tube system would be a good place for it, as that’s where transmission would/could take place, however they will skip over that as it’s impossible to implement.

I’m erring on the side of the anti-COVid passport supporters for domestic, and pro-COVid passport for international (travel).
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But when you read the article, it says ‘some’ nightclubs, and later on, quantifies it as 18 nightclubs in total.
I wonder if Fullfact.org will come along soon and tag this headline as "misleading"
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I wonder if Fullfact.org will come along soon and tag this headline as "misleading"
Also on the radio, 25% of the reported patients on the UK COVid wards, don’t have COVid!
Not sure how/if that correlates to ‘COVid hospitalizations’ numbers, but all part of the obfuscation and narrative.
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Also on the radio, 25% of the reported patients on the UK COVid wards, don’t have COVid!
Not sure how/if that correlates to ‘COVid hospitalizations’ numbers, but all part of the obfuscation and narrative.
Exactly, so much smoke and mirrors at the moment. The problem is the alleged "fact checkers" spend their time only checking facts that goes against the government narrative. Finding when they can't find anything wrong with the facts, they've taken it on themselves to highlight articles as "misleading".

Another gem to have come out this week

Exclusive: Over half of Covid hospitalisations tested positive after admission

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...ive-admission/
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