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Old 30.07.2021, 13:00
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Re: Controversy surrounding the introduction of Covid Passports

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I’m in 2 minds about this showing you are vaccinated malarkey.
On the one hand, nice to know your fellow air passengers are vaccinated, or your work colleagues, but where does it end?
A scanner before you get into a supermarket ?

That said, the cesspit of the London tube system would be a good place for it, as that’s where transmission would/could take place, however they will skip over that as it’s impossible to implement.

I’m erring on the side of the anti-COVid passport supporters for domestic, and pro-COVid passport for international (travel).
I am fully vaccinated and have no wish to take the risk of mixing with the great unwashed.
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Old 30.07.2021, 13:40
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I am fully vaccinated and have no wish to take the risk of mixing with the great unwashed.
+1

I was reading in the NYT (sorry can’t find it) about an increase in Vaccine anger. Those already vaccinated getting angry at those too lazy, too ‘smart’, too ‘stupid’, too scared or too ??? to get vaccinated. A pandemic of the non-vaccinated.

I think that anger is just beginning.

If everyone was being responsible we wouldn’t need vaccine certificates but because not everyone is, we have to protect the rest of us, in particular children and others that cannot, for medical reasons, be vaccinated.
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Another gem to have come out this week

Exclusive: Over half of Covid hospitalisations tested positive after admission

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...ive-admission/
And?

Say you turn up at your doctor's because of that lasting and severe headache. Turns out you have a brain tumor.

How dare those bloody shenanigans file your case under brain tumor, your problem is the headache for christ's sake!
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Old 31.07.2021, 13:42
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And?

Say you turn up at your doctor's because of that lasting and severe headache. Turns out you have a brain tumor.
There’s so much wrong with it that it’s hard to know where to start:

That it distorts data and the number of hospitalisations due to Covid?
That so many people are catching Covid in hospital?
That so many people are catching Covid in hospital where everyone wears masks?
That people were turning once a week to clap this sort of thing?

Whatever way you look at it, it’s really not good!
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Old 31.07.2021, 13:52
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And?

Say you turn up at your doctor's because of that lasting and severe headache. Turns out you have a brain tumor.

How dare those bloody shenanigans file your case under brain tumor, your problem is the headache for christ's sake!
The point is, someone going into hospital with a broken leg, asymptomatic for Covid but tests +ve - is being recorded as hospitalised with Covid!
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Old 31.07.2021, 14:13
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There’s so much wrong with it that it’s hard to know where to start:

That it distorts data and the number of hospitalisations due to Covid?
That so many people are catching Covid in hospital?
That so many people are catching Covid in hospital where everyone wears masks?
That people were turning once a week to clap this sort of thing?

Whatever way you look at it, it’s really not good!
So what is your solution?
Someone turns up at the hospital with COVid symptoms and the hospital makes a test and then says go home and we will call you in six days if it is positive?
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Old 31.07.2021, 14:21
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So what is your solution?
Someone turns up at the hospital with COVid symptoms and the hospital makes a test and then says go home and we will call you in six days if it is positive?
They can fast track PCR tests in under an hour, even doing a batch would know within 4. I would assume there is a lab at the hospital!
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Old 31.07.2021, 14:48
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There’s so much wrong with it that it’s hard to know where to start:

That it distorts data and the number of hospitalisations due to Covid?
That so many people are catching Covid in hospital?
That so many people are catching Covid in hospital where everyone wears masks?
That people were turning once a week to clap this sort of thing?

Whatever way you look at it, it’s really not good!
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The point is, someone going into hospital with a broken leg, asymptomatic for Covid but tests +ve - is being recorded as hospitalised with Covid!
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So what is your solution?
Someone turns up at the hospital with COVid symptoms and the hospital makes a test and then says go home and we will call you in six days if it is positive?
TCs link was not talking about people admitted to hospital with covid symptoms (see Island Monkey's post if that was too difficult to understand).
Why do you twist it?

As to the solution: The hospital needs to have a covid-report list (or a remark possibility next to the names) that clearly states "not admitted/treated for covid". Because yes, the case has to be reported but no it should not give the impression the person came in having covid-symptoms./needing treatment for that.
All these statistic-believers should definitely vote for solving this.
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Old 31.07.2021, 15:21
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TCs link was not talking about people admitted to hospital with covid symptoms (see Island Monkey's post if that was too difficult to understand).
Why do you twist it?

As to the solution: The hospital needs to have a covid-report list (or a remark possibility next to the names) that clearly states "not admitted/treated for covid". Because yes, the case has to be reported but no it should not give the impression the person came in having covid-symptoms./needing treatment for that.
All these statistic-believers should definitely vote for solving this.
So if significant numbers of people are admitted to hospital for reasons not correlated to COVID, but are then discovered to be positive, and the transmission is not actually occuring in the hospital, this would imply that significant numbers of people in the population at large must have COVID without knowing it. Which is maybe good news as it would suggest that many people get through COVID without any symptoms.
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Old 31.07.2021, 15:45
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They can fast track PCR tests in under an hour, even doing a batch would know within 4. I would assume there is a lab at the hospital!
You do know we are talking about the NHS.
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Old 31.07.2021, 15:57
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So if significant numbers of people are admitted to hospital for reasons not correlated to COVID, but are then discovered to be positive, and the transmission is not actually occuring in the hospital, this would imply that significant numbers of people in the population at large must have COVID without knowing it. Which is maybe good news as it would suggest that many people get through COVID without any symptoms.
But that is not news. It's well known.

I would actually like to be tested on that but they're not interested in pushing this offer and of course it bares no sensation.
Still, when I get round to it, I'll ask my GP about it, I think it's done by taking blood and sending that to a lab, so he should be able to do it.
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Old 31.07.2021, 17:19
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There’s so much wrong with it that it’s hard to know where to start:

That it distorts data and the number of hospitalisations due to Covid?
That so many people are catching Covid in hospital?
That so many people are catching Covid in hospital where everyone wears masks?
That people were turning once a week to clap this sort of thing?

Whatever way you look at it, it’s really not good!
Here's bit more info (your link is paywalled), thx to The Standard:
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A breakdown of daily coronavirus hospital diagnoses, seen by the paper, showed that of more than 780 hospitalisations dated last Thursday, 44 per cent involved people who tested positive in the 14 days before hospital entry.

A further 43 per cent were made within two days of admission, with 13 per cent made in the days and weeks that followed, including those likely to have caught the virus in hospital.
The second group of 43% wasn't tested until after admission, there's no way to know when they turned positive, let alone when or how they were infected. The short hospital stay until they were tested makes an infection after admission quite unlikely. While it's certainly worth reacting to, e.g. by testing everybody upon admission, it definitely doesn't warrant the level of certainty you post with.

As for the remaining 13%:
There's a chance that many of them were infected by those from among the 43% or the 13% group. Here as well a tighter testing regime should help, and provide reliable data to base further decisions upon.

In short: hold your horses, not enough data yet for any conclusions.
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As to the solution: The hospital needs to have a covid-report list (or a remark possibility next to the names) that clearly states "not admitted/treated for covid". Because yes, the case has to be reported but no it should not give the impression the person came in having covid-symptoms./needing treatment for that.
All these statistic-believers should definitely vote for solving this.


Perhaps making sure that the patient did indeed not test positive upon admission should be the first step. Just a thought from a "statistic-believer".
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Old 31.07.2021, 20:54
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You do know we are talking about the NHS.
I am talking about the NHS, just the one in Malta, which seems to have it's act together.
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I am talking about the NHS, just the one in Malta, which seems to have it's act together.
(Totally OT) Are you in Gozo or Malta itself?
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(Totally OT) Are you in Gozo or Malta itself?
Malta, Gozo is a little bit quiet, the old people who live their are past their 'best before' date
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I am fully vaccinated and have no wish to take the risk of mixing with the great unwashed.
And you should not, because you are the super spreader now

https://www.technologyreview.com/202...uperspreaders/
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The good news is that the flu has been cured! 0 cases!
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I was reading in the NYT (sorry can’t find it) about an increase in Vaccine anger. Those already vaccinated getting angry at those too lazy, too ‘smart’, too ‘stupid’, too scared or too ??? to get vaccinated. A pandemic of the non-vaccinated.

I think that anger is just beginning.

If everyone was being responsible we wouldn’t need vaccine certificates but because not everyone is, we have to protect the rest of us, in particular children and others that cannot, for medical reasons, be vaccinated.
Faulty thinking, the plan of a vaccine passport has been in the works for years by the WEF, Gates Foundation, Rockefeller Foundation, etc.
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I am fully vaccinated and have no wish to take the risk of mixing with the great unwashed.
I hear if you wear two masks you'll be safer
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