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Re: Controversy surrounding the introduction of Covid Passports

Fact Check: COVID-19 Vaccine

1. Are there possible adverse event outcomes?
> 571,830 in VAERS database (through August 6th, 2021) - https://vaers.hhs.gov/data.html

2. Do the pharmaceutical companies have total indemnification from liability?
> Yes, Congressional “PREP ACT”

3. Is this a vaccine?
> No, mRNA messenger is lab synthetic genetic therapy

4. What additional chemicals are in the injection?
> Moderna SM-102 proprietary

5. Is the vaccine FDA approved?
> No, emergency approval only

6. Were drug interaction studies done?
> No

7. Were single dose toxicity studies done?
> No

8. Were toxicokinetic studies done?
> No

9. Were genotoxicity studies done?
> No

10. Were carcinogenicity studies done?
> No

11. Were pre/postnatal studies done?
> No

12. Is the mRNA injection effective?
> Mild reduction in symptoms

13. How long does it protect against Covid?
> Don’t know

14. Does it help people who contracted and survived Covid?
> Don’t know

15. Does it prevent transmission of Covid?
> Don’t know

16. Are there medical treatments for Covid?
> Yes: Ivermectin, Hydroxichloriquin, Zinc, and Vitamins D & C

17. What are Covid survival chances?
> 0-14: 99.9998%
> 15-44: 99.9931%
> 45-64: 99.9294%
> 65-85: 99.6297%
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Re: Controversy surrounding the introduction of Covid Passports

What does any of that have to do with Covid Passports? And please, don't waste your time reposting it in the proper thread.
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Old 19.08.2021, 11:20
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Re: Controversy surrounding the introduction of Covid Passports

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What does any of that have to do with Covid Passports? And please, don't waste your time reposting it in the proper thread.
Because Covid passports are a way to create a two-tiered societies: those who took the mRNA injection, and those are holding out.

There are no long-term clinical trials and the injection doesn't even prevent people from getting Covid, so why should people be forced to take something that's hasn't been proven to be effective or safe?

Putting people's lives in jeopardy (by getting this injection with unknown side effects) is not worth the 1% risk of dying from Covid. If you dispute any of the facts listed above, please let me know.

There have been MANY people who have developed bell's palsy, blood clots, and other "rare" diseases after taking their injections. I personally know a few people who have died within hours of taking it, and it's absolutely heartbreaking to have loved ones die as guinea pigs in the name of big pharma research.

Mind you, this is the first mRNA injection that has ever been used on humans. This is NOT a traditional vaccine (such as Sinopharm / Sinovax).

Those who signed up to be the research subjects for mRNA will stand in contrast to the control group, who are currently being shunned as vaxx-hesitants or skeptics. I believe many just want to be sure this injection 100% safe (in the short-term and long-term) before putting it into their bodies.
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Old 19.08.2021, 11:24
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Re: Controversy surrounding the introduction of Covid Passports

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Antivaxxer lies, half-truths and irrelevancies
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More antivaxxer lies and propaganda
So utterly fallacious, not worth rebutting. Straight to ad hominem for this one.

I suggest you stick to hiking rather than trying to convince anyone of your delusions - especially on a forum with a relatively high proportion of scientists. Go away. get some qualifications in immunology, disease management and biochemistry. Develop skills in critical thinking, and then we might listen to you.
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Old 19.08.2021, 11:31
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So utterly fallacious, not worth rebutting. Straight to ad hominem for this one.

I suggest you stick to hiking rather than trying to convince anyone of your delusions - especially on a forum with a relatively high proportion of scientists. Go away. get some qualifications in immunology, disease management and biochemistry. Develop skills in critical thinking, and then we might listen to you.
I take it that you're a scientist?

Keep in mind that mRNA =/= vaccine. You say I'm anti-vaxx, but I'm actually pro-vaxx; I've taken every childhood vaccine plus some extras.

In any case, please let me know which fact listed above that you dispute.
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Re: Controversy surrounding the introduction of Covid Passports

@ILoveHiking. I didn't read your pm. As far as your post went, I started writing a complete rebuttal but then saw you had Hydroxichloriquin as a treatment, and realised that you're beyond hope. You clearly also don't understand what "not worth rebutting" means, since you are asking for a rebuttal.

I have a simple rule. Do not engage trolls. Do not engage deluded True Believers.

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Old 19.08.2021, 13:14
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Re: Controversy surrounding the introduction of Covid Passports

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Putting people's lives in jeopardy (by getting this injection with unknown side effects) is not worth the 1% risk of dying from Covid. If you dispute any of the facts listed above, please let me know.
That's why it is a personal decision. No obligation to take it.
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Old 19.08.2021, 13:29
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In any case, please let me know which fact listed above that you dispute.
Can you please inform us which of the items listed above are facts so we can comment
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Old 19.08.2021, 13:37
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Because Covid passports are a way to create a two-tiered societies: those who took the mRNA injection, and those are holding out.

There are no long-term clinical trials and the injection doesn't even prevent people from getting Covid, so why should people be forced to take something that's hasn't been proven to be effective or safe?

Putting people's lives in jeopardy (by getting this injection with unknown side effects) is not worth the 1% risk of dying from Covid. If you dispute any of the facts listed above, please let me know.

There have been MANY people who have developed bell's palsy, blood clots, and other "rare" diseases after taking their injections. I personally know a few people who have died within hours of taking it, and it's absolutely heartbreaking to have loved ones die as guinea pigs in the name of big pharma research.

Mind you, this is the first mRNA injection that has ever been used on humans. This is NOT a traditional vaccine (such as Sinopharm / Sinovax).

Those who signed up to be the research subjects for mRNA will stand in contrast to the control group, who are currently being shunned as vaxx-hesitants or skeptics. I believe many just want to be sure this injection 100% safe (in the short-term and long-term) before putting it into their bodies.
Really... you personally know "a few" people who died within hours of taking the vaccine? And the death was confirmed as caused by the vaccine? I call absolute BS, like with the rest of your post(s).

I wouldn't be surprised if this is an alternate account of an existing or prior member.
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Old 19.08.2021, 14:50
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Re: Controversy surrounding the introduction of Covid Passports

anyone who thinks this is gene therapy (#3) is a nutcase.
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Old 19.08.2021, 15:03
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anyone who thinks this is gene therapy (#3) is a nutcase.
https://www.swfinstitute.org/news/83...f-gene-therapy
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I take it that you're a scientist?

Keep in mind that mRNA =/= vaccine.
You say I'm anti-vaxx, but I'm actually pro-vaxx; I've taken every childhood vaccine plus some extras.

In any case, please let me know which fact listed above that you dispute.
I have a science PhD and can confirm that's nonsense.
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Old 19.08.2021, 15:13
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Because Covid passports are a way to create a two-tiered societies: those who took the mRNA injection, and those are holding out.

There are no long-term clinical trials and the injection doesn't even prevent people from getting Covid, so why should people be forced to take something that's hasn't been proven to be effective or safe?

Putting people's lives in jeopardy (by getting this injection with unknown side effects) is not worth the 1% risk of dying from Covid. If you dispute any of the facts listed above, please let me know.

There have been MANY people who have developed bell's palsy, blood clots, and other "rare" diseases after taking their injections. I personally know a few people who have died within hours of taking it, and it's absolutely heartbreaking to have loved ones die as guinea pigs in the name of big pharma research.

Mind you, this is the first mRNA injection that has ever been used on humans. This is NOT a traditional vaccine (such as Sinopharm / Sinovax).

Those who signed up to be the research subjects for mRNA will stand in contrast to the control group, who are currently being shunned as vaxx-hesitants or skeptics. I believe many just want to be sure this injection 100% safe (in the short-term and long-term) before putting it into their bodies.
If you don't want to take the mRNA vaccine, which is understandable, the J&J vaccine is also approved.
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Re: Controversy surrounding the introduction of Covid Passports

"Furthermore, the mRNA in the vaccine degrades in roughly 72 hours in order to not combine with human DNA."

From your article...

Provoking an immune response is not "gene therapy"
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Re: Controversy surrounding the introduction of Covid Passports

Gene therapy is a therapy that alters the human genome. mRNA vaccines don't do that.
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Old 19.08.2021, 15:18
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Re: Controversy surrounding the introduction of Covid Passports

HvF, I just said that...

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Re: Controversy surrounding the introduction of Covid Passports

If you think that is anger, just wait until the first opposed to getting vaxxed are forced into it by the govt...

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I was reading in the NYT (sorry can’t find it) about an increase in Vaccine anger. Those already vaccinated getting angry at those too lazy, too ‘smart’, too ‘stupid’, too scared or too ??? to get vaccinated. A pandemic of the non-vaccinated.

I think that anger is just beginning.

If everyone was being responsible we wouldn’t need vaccine certificates but because not everyone is, we have to protect the rest of us, in particular children and others that cannot, for medical reasons, be vaccinated.
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Old 19.08.2021, 15:59
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If you think that is anger, just wait until the first opposed to getting vaxxed are forced into it by the govt...
Hopefully they will be well enough to protest
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Old 19.08.2021, 16:12
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Re: Controversy surrounding the introduction of Covid Passports

There is nothing in your link that confirms mRNA vaccines are a form of gene therapy, perhaps you could point to the relevant sentence.
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Old 19.08.2021, 16:19
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Because Covid passports are a way to create a two-tiered societies: those who took the mRNA injection, and those are holding out.

There are no long-term clinical trials and the injection doesn't even prevent people from getting Covid, so why should people be forced to take something that's hasn't been proven to be effective or safe?

Putting people's lives in jeopardy (by getting this injection with unknown side effects) is not worth the 1% risk of dying from Covid. If you dispute any of the facts listed above, please let me know.

There have been MANY people who have developed bell's palsy, blood clots, and other "rare" diseases after taking their injections. I personally know a few people who have died within hours of taking it, and it's absolutely heartbreaking to have loved ones die as guinea pigs in the name of big pharma research.

Mind you, this is the first mRNA injection that has ever been used on humans. This is NOT a traditional vaccine (such as Sinopharm / Sinovax).

Those who signed up to be the research subjects for mRNA will stand in contrast to the control group, who are currently being shunned as vaxx-hesitants or skeptics. I believe many just want to be sure this injection 100% safe (in the short-term and long-term) before putting it into their bodies.
Actually the first time mRNA was used on humans was in 2017.
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