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Re: And not far, in Italy- sends shivers down my spine

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Context: Italian Partigiani. They weren't exactly fighting with their bare hands ;-)
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They inspired a great song though.

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"Bella Ciao" was originally sung as "Alla mattina appena alzata" by seasonal workers of paddy fields of rice, especially in Italy's Po Valley from the late 19th century to the first half of the 20th century with different lyrics.[1] They worked at monda (weeding) the rice fields in northern Italy, to help the healthy growth of young rice plants. It took place during the flooding of the fields, from the end of April to the beginning of June every year, during which the delicate shoots needed to be protected, during the first stages of their development, from temperature differences between the day and the night. It consisted of two phases: transplanting the plants and pruning the weeds.

Monda was an extremely tiring task, carried out mostly by women known as mondinas, from the poorest social classes.[2] They would spend their workdays with their bare feet in water up to their knees, and their back bent for many hours. The atrocious working conditions, long hours and very low pay led to constant dissatisfaction and, at times, to rebellious movements and riots in the early years of the 20th century.[3] The struggles against the supervising padroni was even harder, with plenty of clandestine workers ready to compromise even further the already low wages just to get work. Besides "Bella ciao", similar songs by the mondina women included "Sciur padrun da li beli braghi bianchi [it]" and "Se otto ore vi sembran poche [it]".

Other similar versions of the antecedents of "Bella ciao" appeared over the years, indicating that "Alla mattina appena alzata" must have been composed in the latter half of the 19th century.[4] The earliest written version is dated 1906 and comes from near Vercelli, Piedmont.[5]

"Bella ciao" was revived by the anti-fascist resistance movement in Italy between 1943 and 1945, with modified lyrics.[6] The author of the lyrics is unknown.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bella_ciao


It always brings positive feelings to me.
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Old 07.05.2021, 11:02
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Re: And not far, in Italy- sends shivers down my spine

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They inspired a great song though.

Food for thought

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bella_ciao

It always brings positive feelings to me.
It is NOT a positive song!

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From the Independent article: "On Wednesday 24 April, some 30 people held a banner reading “Honour to Benito Mussolini” while performing fascist salutes in Milan."

Let us run for the hills.
Any number of people doing this is disturbing

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Old 07.05.2021, 11:17
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Btw, does anyone celebrate Franco in Spain? I haven't heard anything about it.
You need to watch the news more.

For example, supporters celebrate the anniversary of Franco's death every year with a march through Madrid and a little sing-song, and the numbers attending aren't exactly getting fewer.

But I hear there are even people celebrating Ceaucescu and that there are always plenty of flowers on his grave.

What some deluded people on the fringes are doing doesn't have much to do with what the rest of the country is doing, But of course the press can have their fun spinning it into something far more threatening.
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Old 07.05.2021, 11:24
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no further comment necessary


https://fb.watch/5i3fPjDquK/

[Yes, further comment necessary, as per posting guidelines. It's a video on Facebook apparently showing some demonstrators using the Roman Salute - Ace1].
I haven't watched the video but you know, if you've ever been to a Lazio game, it's something you get to see quite a bit. Roman salute, roman football team, the clue might be in the name somewhere.

Mussolini didn't invent roman history you know. Well, not all of it anyway.
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You need to watch the news more.
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Avoided them like plague in the last months....

Besides EF always provides plenty.
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Old 07.05.2021, 11:32
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Besides EF always provides plenty.
true that.
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Re: And not far, in Italy- sends shivers down my spine

On the other hand in Germany, they are innocent newborns flinching at sight of Wikipedia reference-linkForest_swastika
Germany was invaded by another nation, Nazis, and suffered its terrible consequences - Wikipedia reference-linkCentre_Against_Expulsions

Nobody knows why they vote for AfD or form extremists cells and networks among the police and army officers...
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On the other hand in Germany, they are innocent newborns flinching at sight of Wikipedia reference-linkForest_swastika
Germany was invaded by another nation, Nazis, and suffered its terrible consequences - Wikipedia reference-linkCentre_Against_Expulsions

Nobody knows why they vote for AfD or form extremists cells and networks among the police and army officers...
How ingenious!

Couldn't find a more discreet way of secretly worshipping this ideology and its symbols.

I feel sorry for the forests. I'm surprised there are still some and they didn't cut them all. Probably because they're actively doing it in another countries.
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Re: And not far, in Italy- sends shivers down my spine

If you don't believe me, just fresh from the press:
NY Times: Was Nazi Germany Defeated or Liberated? Germans Can’t Decide.

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For decades after the war, Germans — at least in West Germany — mostly ignored May 8, believing themselves to be largely innocent casualties of history. Hitler and a criminal band surrounding him were responsible, the narrative of denial went, and now Germans were forced to bear the burden of living in a divided and diminished land.
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Despite Germany’s praiseworthy culture of remembrance, many Germans have a jarringly tenuous grasp of the extent of Nazi crimes or the population’s involvement. In a poll commissioned by the German weekly Die Zeit before the 75th anniversary of V-E Day, 53 percent of respondents agreed with the false statement that “it was just a few criminals who instigated the war and killed the Jews.” In another poll commissioned by a German public broadcaster, 23 percent didn’t even have a grasp of what the Holocaust was.
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If you don't believe me, just fresh from the press:
NY Times: Was Nazi Germany Defeated or Liberated? Germans Can’t Decide.
In East Germany the official line that our friends the Soviets had liberated us from the nazis , who were mostly west Germans anyway .

There were plenty of monuments all over east Germany thanking our Soviet liberators . Even in the parts that had factually been conquered by Americans .

Many of those statues are still there today .
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