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Old 14.05.2021, 11:10
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I never have. (So speak for yourself ):
All I can say is good for you. You may not like categorization, but I suspect you use it. Love might be too strong a term.... when faced with a lot of info to process, do you not summarize?

Or perhaps, you are a unicorn.
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Definitely. And who exactly define(d) this term? Or is it once again what ever one likes it to be? Which actually wouldn't be too bad, it would make it just an other popular word and leave things to self-responsibility.

OMG, I used that much detested word
There's a whole history behind "Woke-ness", you can look it up yourself.

One thing for sure is, not everyone tarred with the same brush identifies with this movement.

Edit: I always thought this an American thing which influenced or started to influence people in other places too, but still very American in its main concepts and manifestations. Not sure all these ideas and methods are a model for everyone else around the world. Historical and social contexts are very different. Cultures too. Not a one-box-fits-all either.

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Old 14.05.2021, 11:24
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It is very fashionable to call "woke people" everyone who doesn't agree with you.
I thought it was the other way around?

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You seem obsessed with a singer who didn't sing for at least 10 years. Or was it more?
Callas didn't sing for more than 40 years .... people still listen to her.

Okay, forgive me for bringing up Callas in a talk about Britney Spears.

<<How's that relevant to this thread anyway?>> MC replied to an observation I made.

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I don't know the Internationale, I'm too young for this crap. Is it a nice song? You obsessed with it?
roflmao, you told that your history teacher too back then?

You don't know it but it's crap.
Here it is in English.
Yep, a bunch of hypocrisy, crap in today's language.
I suspect MC grew up with it. Be awake for other people's background.

We used to sing "Bandiera rossa" just to annoy the headmaster. It was easy for us though, living the Western life.

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Then, as now, not everything is/was political.

The political pundits like to read political positioning into what young people do and have always done throughout history: That is, test the boundaries and pi$$ off their elders. Only to grow old themselves and then bitch about the young people who pi$$ them off.
I agree, that's all it is.
We enjoyed doing it and it's only fair they're going to do it to us.
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I agree, that's all it is.
We enjoyed doing it and it's only fair they're going to do it to us.
Who's they, curley? You claimed you don't like categories.
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Old 14.05.2021, 11:37
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Who's they, curley? You claimed you don't like categories.
The youngsters. What ever each of them will think, say, fight for, not fight for: They are younger. And that is not a category, that is a fact. LOL.

Should I talk about oaks in the garden thread, don't tell me I'm categorising. It would not be intelligent to simply talk about trees. Or would that be awoke?
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Old 14.05.2021, 11:41
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I suspect MC grew up with it. Be awake for other people's background. .
My background helps me see the liberty people have here.
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Old 14.05.2021, 11:46
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Re: Boomers rule!

Let's leave it at that. I'll definitely will.

I think most of the "boomers" (whatever that means) are just people. I'm sure most of them are not even aware of this term - either "boomer" or "woke".
I don't think they're angry at younger generations. Some are though. Older folks are nostalgic about their own youth and very understanding with youngsters, in my experience. This thread is an EF specific issue. Not my world. I commented on the info I was given here.
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Old 14.05.2021, 11:46
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Edit: I always thought this an American thing which influenced or started to influence people in other places too, but still very American in its main concepts and manifestations. Not sure all these ideas and methods are a model for everyone else around the world. Historical and social contexts are very different. Cultures too. Not a one-box-fits-all either.
I think there is a certain tendency to apply American thinking and experiences to the rest of the world, helped by the high levels of Americanization of popular culture through Hollywood, music etc etc.

So for example America, or certain parts of American society, have a problem and even guilt complex over slavery, Jim Crow etc, and then generously apply the same thinking to the rest of the world, assuming the experience must be the same and therefore the cure must be the same too.

This is a bit like grandpa who discovers his indigestion tablets help against indigestion. So he gives indigestion tablets to grandma too because he is sure it will cure her arthritis.
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Old 14.05.2021, 11:56
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This is a bit like grandpa who discovers his indigestion tablets help against indigestion. So he gives indigestion tablets to grandma too because he is sure it will cure her arthritis.
Yes. It's that silly.

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Old 14.05.2021, 12:04
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I think there is a certain tendency to apply American thinking and experiences to the rest of the world, helped by the high levels of Americanization of popular culture through Hollywood, music etc etc.

So for example America, or certain parts of American society, have a problem and even guilt complex over slavery, Jim Crow etc, and then generously apply the same thinking to the rest of the world, assuming the experience must be the same and therefore the cure must be the same too.

This is a bit like grandpa who discovers his indigestion tablets help against indigestion. So he gives indigestion tablets to grandma too because he is sure it will cure her arthritis.
I didn't get the impression that Daltrey is senile. Nor Nick Cave.

To come out with something so potentially risky to their career took a lot of personal courage and fighting with their marketing folks and PRs, I am sure.
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Old 14.05.2021, 12:33
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Except it seems that this time around, the rebels are the pops.
Not sure.

Maybe some individuals but not really as a norm.

Remember this was also the generation who started with all this PC stuff back in the day.

They are also largely the generation who are n power in most of Europe today. The Verhoffstads and the Merkels. If they are genuinely the best, then all hope is lost.
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Old 14.05.2021, 13:20
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Not sure.

Maybe some individuals but not really as a norm.

Remember this was also the generation who started with all this PC stuff back in the day.

They are also largely the generation who are n power in most of Europe today. The Verhoffstads and the Merkels. If they are genuinely the best, then all hope is lost.
It is hard to discern, tbh. The boomers I know are all but PC. But maybe that's why I know them.

Can't associate Merkel with boomers but can and easily with post-WWII guilt. Not an American sentiment. But the principle is similar. I do not see anti-woke sentiments in the people in power. I see it in other people, not in power, same generation. Anti-establishment. Again - something historically attributed mostly to the youngsters. Which was my point. The rellay is taken by grandpas maybe, but not senile.
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Old 14.05.2021, 13:59
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It is hard to discern, tbh. The boomers I know are all but PC. But maybe that's why I know them.

Can't associate Merkel with boomers but can and easily with post-WWII guilt. Not an American sentiment. But the principle is similar. I do not see anti-woke sentiments in the people in power. I see it in other people, not in power, same generation. Anti-establishment. Again - something historically attributed mostly to the youngsters. Which was my point. The rellay is taken by grandpas maybe, but not senile.
I guess you know more young people than I do, so I won't contradict you. But I do know some young people who do totally get it and maybe through their youthful optimism aren't held back by some of the negativity and cynicism that comes with experience.

To me the boomer generation have to a large part swallowed the whole guilt thing uncritically and are trying to pass it on to the younger generation. They despise those who don't take it as seriously as they should. That makes Merkel a typical boomer IMHO.

Boomers, in my view at least, are still the people who watch TV and largely believe what the TV tells them. They just think they are rebels because they followed the youth culture back in the day, failing to notice that everybody else did too.

The sub 30 generation are more TV agnostic and this makes it more difficult for the establishment to tell them what to do.

Of course people of all ages who have always been rebels are relishing this new fangled internet thing and further contributing to the crumbling of the old time TV empires. And leading to inter-generational alliances.
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Old 14.05.2021, 14:20
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I had no interest in this thread until it was bought to my attention that Britney was being dissed. So now I have to pick a side, make a stand, and do what's right.

Leave Britney alone!

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It is hard to discern, tbh. The boomers I know are all but PC. But maybe that's why I know them.

Can't associate Merkel with boomers but can and easily with post-WWII guilt. Not an American sentiment. But the principle is similar. I do not see anti-woke sentiments in the people in power. I see it in other people, not in power, same generation. Anti-establishment. Again - something historically attributed mostly to the youngsters. Which was my point. The rellay is taken by grandpas maybe, but not senile.
Anti-establishment they created and served them well till...it didn't.


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Tom is the biggest gammon I've ever come across. Not sure if that is just a British English term but it suits him down to the ground.

It refers to the pinky red colour a late middle aged (often overweight) white mans face goes when he angrily expresses right wing and/or euroskeptic views.

Named after a type of ham.
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I had no interest in this thread until it was bought to my attention that Britney was being dissed. So now I have to pick a side, make a stand, and do what's right.

Leave Britney alone!

I knew mentioning Britney would Friday the thread instantly.
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I knew mentioning Britney would Friday the thread instantly.
How very clever and superior.


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Tom is the biggest gammon I've ever come across. Not sure if that is just a British English term but it suits him down to the ground.

It refers to the pinky red colour a late middle aged (often overweight) white mans face goes when he angrily expresses right wing and/or euroskeptic views.

Named after a type of ham.
I thought they're called drama queens, this type.

Some here, truly are. Of both genders.

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I didn't get the impression that Daltrey is senile. Nor Nick Cave.

To come out with something so potentially risky to their career took a lot of personal courage and fighting with their marketing folks and PRs, I am sure.
Daltrey defended his mate publicly as to shut down everyone who didn't believe his (P.T.'s) story. I don't believe a second he watched child pornography for research purposes.

While that doesn't incriminate Daltrey himself, it appears his outburst about woke generations is very much linked to this scandal.

Why do you conflate it with Nick Cave? Britney Spears? Who's next? Madonna? Oh wait she's a boomer theoretically.

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One thing for sure is, not everyone tarred with the same brush identifies with this movement.
This. And: what frustrates me about anti-"wokeness" discussions is the tendency to skip over any acknowledgment of the legitimacy of a grassroots movement aimed at redressing real grievances -- grievances that for centuries robbed many people of dignity, liberty, livelihoods and lives. Instead, the typical discussion immediately pounces on the excesses snowballing out of this movement, often non-sequitur excesses made in the name of the movement by ignorant people trying to exploit a cultural moment or who want to "absolve" themselves of seeming guilt. It's too easy to find such obviously scandalizing or farcical fodder, but to what end, unless one also has a vested interest in discrediting the basis for movements like MeToo and Black Lives Matter?

Those seriously in the service of such movements do not appreciate having trend-hoppers and virtue-signalers "speaking" for them. The excesses are embarrassing and distracting. Still, maybe it's hard for the movement to disown such distracting voices, because even among interlopers perhaps there are also innocents willing to learn, and there's always the hope that changing minds has to start somewhere.

Why don't we spend more time discussing how to strengthen the good of such movements and simply ignore the tone-deaf celebrities and other fools who misinterpret and exploit them?

Speaking as a protector of cultural canons and of Civilization whose family (like MusicChick's I infer) suffered enormously under Communism.
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Speaking as a protector of cultural canons and of Civilization whose family (like MusicChick's I infer) suffered enormously under Communism.
My family was deprived of land, houses and religion. Their lands and houses were confiscated by the communist regime. A side of my family was considered people's enemy because they owned a mill.

Is it a contest with MC?
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