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Re: Cable car accident near Lake Maggiore

There is a good graphic mid-article here https://www.google.ch/amp/s/www.thes...-disaster/amp/ that visualises how it happened.
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Re: Cable car accident near Lake Maggiore

If this is true, I do hope they make an example out of them and not just get away with a temporary suspension and a fine worth a few months salary. Criminal negligence.

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Old 26.05.2021, 10:23
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Re: Cable car accident near Lake Maggiore

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Initial reports said the cable that was pulling the cabin up the slope snapped as the gondola neared the end of its 20-minute journey to the top of the Mottarone mountain.

The braking mechanism on a second wire that was bearing the weight of the cabin failed to engage and the gondola slid backwards before apparently hitting a pylon and tumbling to earth, where it rolled over before hitting trees.
https://news.yahoo.com/safety-brake-...144948338.html

This is damned sad. If I understand well, there were 2 cables. One supporting the weight of the gondola (where the wheels roll) and other one pulling the gondola. The one that snapped was only the pulling cable, so the gondola was still suspended, but......it had no brakes, rolled downhill until it crashed with a tower and then fell to the ground

Thins like this happen when then people using the machines or mechanics fixing them believe they know more than the engineers that designed them. Ingenuity and creativity applied at the worst moment and place. Creative mechanics should go for art if they can't follow protocols.
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Old 26.05.2021, 11:01
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Re: Cable car accident near Lake Maggiore

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This is damned sad. If I understand well, there were 2 cables. One supporting the weight of the gondola (where the wheels roll) and other one pulling the gondola. The one that snapped was only the pulling cable, so the gondola was still suspended, but......it had no brakes, rolled downhill until it crashed with a tower and then fell to the ground
What you describe is one of the most common forms of construction/attachment for cable cars, with minor variants.



It's not entirely clear to me how the cabin manage to hit the tower because there should be enough clearance for the cabin to pass the tower even if it is hit by a gust of wind or something. I suspect the cabin may already have been partially derailed before hitting the tower. These things are not designed for high speeds. And typically when you clear a tower there is a sudden change in direction as you transition from one cable span to the next. This is why people sometimes get sudden feelings of sea-sickness in that precise situation. At a high speed that bump might have been sufficient to unhitch or detach the cabin. Just my two cents worth.
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Old 26.05.2021, 11:37
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It's not entirely clear to me how the cabin manage to hit the tower because there should be enough clearance for the cabin to pass the tower even if it is hit by a gust of wind or something. I suspect the cabin may already have been partially derailed before hitting the tower. These things are not designed for high speeds. And typically when you clear a tower there is a sudden change in direction as you transition from one cable span to the next. This is why people sometimes get sudden feelings of sea-sickness in that precise situation. At a high speed that bump might have been sufficient to unhitch or detach the cabin. Just my two cents worth.
The article shared by mullhollander says there should be an emergency brake on the wheels which was willingly disabled. They say management was informed but at least a pair of hands had to do it. Ever thinking about quitting the job? When the boss asks for things like this it's a damned good day.

This winter I was on gondola on a windy day. They put 1400 kg of balast (2 concrete blocks) to make the gondola heavier and therefore the balance caused by the wind was minimized. Then this gondola is usually operated remotely. The windy day, there was driver in there that slowed almost to a halt when passing through the tower. Anyway, we hit a guiding rail in the tower, a similar sensation to a small boat hitting a dock cushioned by tires. That was a walking pace speed, an encounter with the guiding rail at uncontrolled descend speed should be completely different. The article shared by Island Monkey says 100 mph.
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Re: Cable car accident near Lake Maggiore

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...intensive-care

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The five-year-old boy who survived last weekend’s deadly cable car crash in the Italian mountains that killed his parents and sibling is awake and will soon be moved out of intensive care, hospital officials said on Thursday.
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Old 28.05.2021, 09:30
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Re: Cable car accident near Lake Maggiore

Huh, I thought it was a 5 year old girl and an older brother who were the only survivors according to earlier reports. Brother died in hospital.
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Old 28.05.2021, 10:07
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Re: Cable car accident near Lake Maggiore

For me the horrible thing is there would have been 15 seconds or so of terror for those poor souls. After the cable snapped, the cabin would have been in a near freefall, and being unrestrained, those people would have been "floating" in the cabin space. As soon as the pullys hit the pylon, it would have been like a pendulum effect. I would say many would have died with here as they impacted with the inside of the cabin.



The rest would have perished on impact with the ground.
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Old 28.05.2021, 11:29
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For me the horrible thing is there would have been 15 seconds or so of terror for those poor souls. After the cable snapped, the cabin would have been in a near freefall, and being unrestrained, those people would have been "floating" in the cabin space. As soon as the pullys hit the pylon, it would have been like a pendulum effect. I would say many would have died with here as they impacted with the inside of the cabin.



The rest would have perished on impact with the ground.
This is haunting my thoughts too the terror of those last moments, careening out of control, just makes me feel so sad for them all
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Old 28.05.2021, 12:45
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Re: Cable car accident near Lake Maggiore

The surviving boy was shielded by his father.

Kids are very resilient, he'll probably recover with no major biological problems. And hopefully, his brain has already wiped those last 30 seconds from his memory.

This event really enforces the notion that Italians operate in some sort of continuous jog-trot, sadly.
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Re: Cable car accident near Lake Maggiore

I would wonder in how many other cable car installations the same "work around the emergency break" or other "workarounds" have been used.
I would not generalise statements about a nationality.
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Re: Cable car accident near Lake Maggiore

I suspect this rather illustrates the dangers of restarting large mechanical systems that have been idled for longer than normal. Nothing about whether it was right or wrong to shut down resorts; it's just that restarting these on a regular maintenance schedule is not ideal.
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Old 28.05.2021, 16:27
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I suspect this rather illustrates the dangers of restarting large mechanical systems that have been idled for longer than normal. Nothing about whether it was right or wrong to shut down resorts; it's just that restarting these on a regular maintenance schedule is not ideal.
I'd rather think machines and their components have a life counted in hours of operation. If they don't run, they don't degrade. But, it will take months/years for an investigation to get to this point.
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Old 28.05.2021, 16:33
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I'd rather think machines and their components have a life counted in hours of operation. If they don't run, they don't degrade. But, it will take months/years for an investigation to get to this point.
I think it's both.

Some parts will degrade from, for example, not being lubricated regularly. Electrical stuff can suffer from oxidation of contactors. Lubricated surfaces can also attract gunk during periods of disuse which leads to degradation of function. Bearings can seize if they are not moved for longer periods. Sometimes even vegetation can cause problems, or ant infestation in the switchgear cabinets. Or anything basically.

Many such systems have specified minimum hours of operation which may explain why sometimes you see things like ski lifts occasionally churn away for an hour or so during the summer. Or even the elevators in your office building or hotel occasionally make moves during strange hours of night when there's nobody about to benefit. Even winding gear on mothballed but as yet not officially abandoned mines is occasionally put into motion.
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I suspect this rather illustrates the dangers of restarting large mechanical systems that have been idled for longer than normal. Nothing about whether it was right or wrong to shut down resorts; it's just that restarting these on a regular maintenance schedule is not ideal.
And this when added to countries with less stringent testing and checking, and with financial problems. I take no joy in saying this as a Swiss-Brit- but if I am going to take a cable-car or ride in Amusement Park, etc, I'd rather be in Switzerland than Bulgaria, or Italy for that matter. Sad, but true.
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Re: Cable car accident near Lake Maggiore

The emergency brakes were deactivated. On purpose because they caused interruptions and delays and the technicians didn't find the problem. So they deactivated them!!

Sorry, if someone already posted this. I didn't follow the thread lately.
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Re: Cable car accident near Lake Maggiore

I hope they are rotting in jail already
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And this when added to countries with less stringent testing and checking, and with financial problems. I take no joy in saying this as a Swiss-Brit- but if I am going to take a cable-car or ride in Amusement Park, etc, I'd rather be in Switzerland than Bulgaria, or Italy for that matter. Sad, but true.
In Switzerland, but where exactly?
I'd rather be in Wallis rather than Schwyz.

2017 (Stoos, SZ)


2019 (Rotenflue, SZ)


from 2020 (Stoos, SZ) one death :O !
https://www.nzz.ch/panorama/sesselli...5?reduced=true

Then, you are fundamentally right but you are expressing yourself wrong. The issue is not the country, but the economic system pushing down profits and salary, promoting the policies "the cheaper, the better" all across Europe. I hope you are pleased by the interruption of the commercial treaty between Switzerland and EU, because that would have made a huge difference (negative difference, by the way)...

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Re: Cable car accident near Lake Maggiore

Additionally, you don't know whether safety systems have been de-activated until there's an accident.

Who really knows what is going on with regards to maintenance at your local resort?
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Huh, I thought it was a 5 year old girl and an older brother who were the only survivors according to earlier reports. Brother died in hospital.
I don’t think the two children who survived initially were related. The older child who died was from a different family.
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