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Old 03.06.2021, 16:11
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Re: Cable car accident near Lake Maggiore

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Yes, but it's attached so that there is an uphill side and a downhill side.

If the downhill side breaks, should be no problem, but the uphill side breaking with no brakes is a problem!

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isn't it one cable?
Wait, it's a system made of two cables, which looks like three cables: one closed loop, moving and pulling the cable car, one fixed "to guide" the cablecar. When the pulling cable broke, cable car is not anymore pulled, an automatic brake clamp on the fixed cable.
The fixed cable is rather thick. The pulling cable is the one that broke .

Absurdly enough, with only one cable it would have been better (this specific accident): the cable car would have dropped down like a stone, maybe rolling a bit downhill ... at least the energy involved would have been smaller, since it was just below the arrival station (this would not hold true when the cable car is above steep parts, or depe gorges and so on...).
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Old 03.06.2021, 17:16
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Wait, it's a system made of two cables, which looks like three cables: one closed loop, moving and pulling the cable car, one fixed "to guide" the cablecar. When the pulling cable broke, cable car is not anymore pulled, an automatic brake clamp on the fixed cable.
The fixed cable is rather thick. The pulling cable is the one that broke .

Absurdly enough, with only one cable it would have been better (this specific accident): the cable car would have dropped down like a stone, maybe rolling a bit downhill ... at least the energy involved would have been smaller, since it was just below the arrival station (this would not hold true when the cable car is above steep parts, or depe gorges and so on...).
The cable that is on closed loop has brakes where it reverses direction at the end of the line. Presumably these brakes are strong enough to hold a broken cable and would automatically activate in case of tension loss. Thus the second cabin is not in immediate danger. Typically the lower station has drive gear and the upper station just has a reversing wheel, but there are installations where this is the other way round. There is also gear to compensate for gradual changes in the length of the cable caused by temperature-related expansion but also gradual creep as the cable ages. This is typically achieved by a combination of springs and counterweights in the reversing station, which would react instantly if there was a cable breakage, and bring brake blocks onto the cable.

Even without a runaway cabin, a broken cable undergoing a sudden loss of tension can react in a whiplash manner and pose a considerable risk.

There are also cable car systems with a single cable and even systems with three cables.
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Old 17.06.2021, 13:50
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Re: Cable car accident near Lake Maggiore

Italy cable car: Outrage as video of the crash shown on TV https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-57510661
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Re: Cable car accident near Lake Maggiore

I wasn't aware that the lead cable snapped right at the top.. It's so sad seeing them arriving at the top only to plummet down to their death. It really couldn't gain any more momentum than it did.
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Old 17.06.2021, 14:21
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Re: Cable car accident near Lake Maggiore



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Old 17.06.2021, 14:51
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Re: Cable car accident near Lake Maggiore

Truly upsetting and disturbing video to watch.
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Old 17.06.2021, 15:22
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Re: Cable car accident near Lake Maggiore

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I wasn't aware that the lead cable snapped right at the top.. It's so sad seeing them arriving at the top only to plummet down to their death. It really couldn't gain any more momentum than it did.
To be honest, I don't think the outcome would have been different regardless where the cable snapped, unless it had been close to the valley station.

As horrific as the video is, it is damning evidence against the accused.
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Old 17.06.2021, 16:31
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Re: Cable car accident near Lake Maggiore

I got the fright of my life watching that footage, the bit where the cable car just lurches and careers downwards. Those poor passengers didn't stand a chance.
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Re: Cable car accident near Lake Maggiore

Agreed... horrifying!

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I got the fright of my life watching that footage, the bit where the cable car just lurches and careers downwards. Those poor passengers didn't stand a chance.
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Old 17.06.2021, 17:41
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Re: Cable car accident near Lake Maggiore

It's enough to put me off gondolas. I've always enjoyed them up to now.
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It's enough to put me off gondolas. I've always enjoyed them up to now.
Keep in mind that the chance to die in a gondola accident is much lower than the chance to die because of Covid
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Re: Cable car accident near Lake Maggiore

I went on the one that goes up to Montjuac in Barcelona, it was quite spectacular looking over the city from it.
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Re: Cable car accident near Lake Maggiore

Being an avid skier, after watching it, I will never ever feel comfortable stepping into gondola anymore.
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Being an avid skier, after watching it, I will never ever feel comfortable stepping into gondola anymore.
Youíre far more likely to die in a car crash
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You’re far more likely to die in a car crash
Everyone says that nonsense over and over again … “you are more likely to die in a car crash than plane crash”. No, once it happens, even once in a million times, be it a rollercoaster ride or other sporadic accident, it’s not the same and it’s not OK. That’s why it always calls for inspection, inspection and inspection.
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Everyone says that nonsense over and over again Ö ďyou are more likely to die in a car crash than plane crashĒ. No, once it happens, even once in a million times, be it a rollercoaster ride or other sporadic accident, itís not the same and itís not OK. Thatís why it always calls for inspection, inspection and inspection.
Of course itís not ďOKĒ Ö but if you step into a car every day, or an aeroplane, itís daft to suddenly be scared of stepping in to a cable car.
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Of course itís not ďOKĒ Ö but if you step into a car every day, or an aeroplane, itís daft to suddenly be scared of stepping in to a cable car.
You could be forgiven for thinking this, but statistical analyses have been proven to be ineffectual in altering people's perception of risk. (nerd alert - this is actually one of my favourite topics )
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Of course it’s not “OK” … but if you step into a car every day, or an aeroplane, it’s daft to suddenly be scared of stepping in to a cable car.
Which is not what I wrote. I didn’t say I will be scared to step into the car. I wrote that I would be feeling uncomfortable always remembering the above video. It’s not saying like I will stop driving or flying because people die in accidents. However, I will always be vigilant and look differently at infrastructures begging questions e.g. when was it last time serviced, is it new or old type and etc.
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Re: Cable car accident near Lake Maggiore


Whoa... from what I can see it did not even hit the pylon as initially reported, it just jumped off the cable and pulley at the pylon. (The cable does not snap down after the car is thrown down.) This is more than just the brake; either the clamp was insufficiently strong or the tampering with the brake affected it too.


And to imagine this with sound... at least it was relatively fast.

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You could be forgiven for thinking this, but statistical analyses have been proven to be ineffectual in altering people's perception of risk. (nerd alert - this is actually one of my favourite topics )
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Which is not what I wrote. I didnít say I will be scared to step into the car. I wrote that I would be feeling uncomfortable always remembering the above video. Itís not saying like I will stop driving or flying because people die in accidents. However, I will always be vigilant and look differently at infrastructures begging questions e.g. when was it last time serviced, is it new or old type and etc.

Both can coexist. The facts are in the skier's favor going up. http://gondolaproject.com/2015/11/16...ble-cars-safe/


Coming down is another matter...
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