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Old 26.05.2021, 14:32
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Quoting 20min every two posts here, that's funny.

The world renowned journalists from 20min must be onto something.

I haven't read yet the opinion makers from Daily Mail.
Hey I read it in the Tagi but because of their paywall try to find an open link elsewhere if possible.
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Old 26.05.2021, 14:53
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There is an interesting information of the flights height and speed before diverting to Minsk. Normally the flights which land in Vilnus start descending much earlier than this plane. The plane was flying full height and full speed before diverting to Minsk. I wonder why.
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There is an interesting information of the flights height and speed before diverting to Minsk. Normally the flights which land in Vilnus start descending much earlier than this plane. The plane was flying full height and full speed before diverting to Minsk. I wonder why.
Pilot made decision about abort approach earlier and didn't go onto ILS-approach - avoiding other traffic .

Rapid turn may be due to believe that bomb may be GPS/local-ratio/location activated

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Re: Ryanair plane forced to abort descent and forced to land in Weissrussland

From an anonymous source.
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Following the alleged bomb threat that caused a Ryanair commercial passenger flight (FR4978) to make an emergency landing at Minsk National Airport on 23 May, the European Union Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) issued the attached Safety Information Bulletin (SIB), containing recommendations on operations in Belarus airspace.
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Pending the finalization of an international investigation into the incident, EASA recommends airlines (as specified in the Applicability section of the SIB) to avoid operations in FIR Minsk (UMMV), unless the use of that airspace is deemed necessary to ensure safe operation in case of unforeseen circumstances.
Several other countries are issuing similar recommendations.
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From an anonymous source.
LOL, good one!

I don't like anonymous sources though.
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LOL, good one!

I don't like anonymous sources though.
It comes from an industry insider, who doesn’t want it known that s/he is sharing internal documents. The information is in the public domain, but not necessarily summarised.
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Old 26.05.2021, 19:28
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LOL, good one!

I don't like anonymous sources though.
Here is the official website:

https://www.easa.europa.eu/newsroom-...larus-airspace
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Bucharest 1st District mayor Clotilde Armand, following calls from historian Andrei Oișteanu, began preparations to rename the street where the Belarusian embassy is located in Romania to Roman Protasevich Street, citing that the consequence of this gesture of support for the detained journalist would imply that "all correspondence to and from the embassy would bear the dissident journalist’s name and all Belarusian diplomats would have ‘Roman Protasevich’ printed on their business cards".[79] The initiative led to the drafting of a letter from eight Members of the European Parliament suggesting that all EU member states follow suit in renaming their respective streets hosting Belarusian diplomatic missions around the bloc in support of Protasevich in order to send "a strong message to [the] Belarus regime"
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This is genius:

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Photos have surfaced showing Roman Protasevich fighting with the Azov Battalion (the white supremacists death squad)

https://www.reddit.com/r/GenZedong/c...evich_in_full/
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Re: Ryanair plane forced to abort descent and forced to land in Weissrussland

Despicable? Yes. But by no means a precedent, let's not forget that Lukashenko was merely copying the Austrians who hijacked the plane of the Bolivian president under pressure from the US (snowden).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evo_Mo...nding_incident
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Photos have surfaced showing Roman Protasevich fighting with the Azov Battalion (the white supremacists death squad)

https://www.reddit.com/r/GenZedong/c...evich_in_full/

Not only the Azov Battalion but also Foggy Bottom want their asset back...
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2021/0...nazi.html#more
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Despicable? Yes. But by no means a precedent, let's not forget that Lukashenko was merely copying the Austrians who hijacked the plane of the Bolivian president under pressure from the US (snowden).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evo_Mo...nding_incident
There is one small difference, the Bolivian aircraft was a government (state) flight, not commercial aviation. As such not protected by by the Chicago and Montreal Conventions. AFAIK there are no international agreements for state flights.

The Ryanair flight was a commercial aviation flight and protected under the above agreements.
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Not only the Azov Battalion but also Foggy Dusty Bottoms want their asset back...
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2021/0...nazi.html#more
nefarious character – latest revelation: involvement in the Mexican Revolution
https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/2793ed6...6-91f36b696403 as CIA stooge
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Not only the Azov Battalion but also Foggy Bottom want their asset back...
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2021/0...nazi.html#more
Wow, that website is a flashback to the 1990s geocities, too soon to miss the 90s?
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Photos have surfaced showing Roman Protasevich fighting with the Azov Battalion (the white supremacists death squad)

https://www.reddit.com/r/GenZedong/c...evich_in_full/
Yeah, right. Photos from his mobile get to the KGB and randomly surface on Reddit? So after "whataboutism" do we now move on to "character assassination"? This is really the cold war spy handbook 101.

The simple truth is that it really doesnt matter if he is an angel, neo nazi, drug dealer or murderer - literally nothing makes the wrong of forcing to land the plane right unless he posed an immediate threat to others... you know in the exact way the Somali man in the case you showed us claiming the US did the same did: He was a somali cab driver in the US, the CIA knew he became a rather radical muslim, went on to the Western Sahara - IS territory - to "study islam", was put on a no-fly list and tried to circumvent it by booking a seat from France to Mexico crossing over US airspace - the Americans were literally scared of him.

Your lines of argument are so weird that I start to question your motives...
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There is one small difference, the Bolivian aircraft was a government (state) flight, not commercial aviation. As such not protected by by the Chicago and Montreal Conventions. AFAIK there are no international agreements for state flights. The Ryanair flight was a commercial aviation flight and protected under the above agreements.
A point widely made, but that distinction is legal, not moral. A lot of the supercharged huffing at the western media's least favorite dictator of the month turns on questions of morality, which are really the important ones. Whether Belarus broke a law, or whether Austria did, is not the interesting question.
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There is one small difference, the Bolivian aircraft was a government (state) flight, not commercial aviation. As such not protected by by the Chicago and Montreal Conventions. AFAIK there are no international agreements for state flights.

The Ryanair flight was a commercial aviation flight and protected under the above agreements.
Actually state plane can have either Military or Civilian registration (and it can be changed quickly) so question would be under which one was President Morales traveling.

Since he was in the air - airplane is under either treaties or with permission open for military air corridor travel .

In either cases none of the country has right to force any action against it - however what happened to Morales is he was denied all surrounding airspaces entry and only option left was to either land or crash.

Once landed he should have been welcomed with Austria head of state together with Ambassador of Peru (either in Austria or one from UNO) - I didn't check that but I hope that has happened.

Entry on-board of what is considered diplomatic airplane mission and search officially didn't happen - however it would be easy to verify whenever all on plane have disembarked without search made inside by external means

As such Austria claims (rightfully) that no Snowden was on plane as they conducted search , same time Morales is right that no search of the airplane took place .

Morales was not advised to land due to to specific reasons - and certainly he wasn't detained.

Should Snowden be on board - that would remain open question what would have been actions taken by Austria government as one hand he is fugitive on the other side it's Austria law that would apply (and that is not terrorism in Austria to reveal that government runs mass scale invigilation of it's citizens and allied foreign power leaders )

Just saw Wikipedia link above ..
"The following morning, President Fischer went to greet President Morales in his plane and shared breakfast with him.[10]"

I'd have expected better - but could be Austria president wasn't available and prime minister welcomed president Morales on the ground when landed
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A point widely made, but that distinction is legal, not moral.
If it's done by a Western country, morality is a given, even if illegal. If done by a brown/yellow country, it's immoral by default, legality is irrelevant.
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If it's done by a Western country, morality is a given, even if illegal. If done by a brown/yellow country, it's immoral by default, legality is irrelevant.
Can you quickly tell us if Belarusian are brown or yellow...
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Can you quickly tell us if Belarusian are brown or yellow...
Let me distill it further for you as you seem to struggle to see the main point. Austrian whites hijacking a plane: good! Eastern Slavs stopping a plane: bad!
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