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Are you writing from Belarus or from CH?

You may have missed it, but there's a lot of people in Western countries who disagrees with the actions of their current governments. These people do not take any action of their government or armies as moral by default. On the contrary, these opposition groups enjoy their freedom to scrutinize and criticize their governments.

The funny thing is Western countries are also regarded as decaying and weak precisely because there's no monolithic culture. There's respect for the heterogeneous mix of languages, religions, ethnicity, etc.

So, choose one. Western countries are: A) monolithic cultures that assess any action of their and foreign governments and armies as moral, or b) weak and decaying plural societies.
But of course. And apparently plurality is seen as something bad here.

Only when it fits.
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Really... which guy has worked for not one but two foreign governments?

I know I'd rather have that guy on my team. Just take the time to listen to him.
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you seem to uncover the truth already one click away , what a surprise these surface exactly with rhetoric that is needed for certain people with well defined political agenda.

Would you seriously believe these are real ?

Have you ever consider why these are easy accessible with context that fits narrative ?

Have you had a chance to live in Communist country ?
For the grown-ups:
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https://youtu.be/e9yK1QndJSM?t=2142
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Old 29.05.2021, 10:05
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Would he own up to it, when you consider the "warm" reactions people have been getting? Basically - bad regime = your fault. Germany not paying reparations after they gassed most of your country = your fault. A dictator usurping power in your home place because they get a free pass in some US/Russia/China/EU quotas, oil or nuke deal shinenigans = your fault.
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You forgot to add Churchill and Roosevelt to the list of guys who decided the fate of some countries....I'm not sure anger for the past will fix things in the present though. Particularly the case at hand.
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Re: Ryanair plane forced to abort descent and forced to land in Weissrussland [Belaru

Oh, and by the way, I won't pin/quote, but to set that part of the record clear: Austria is not the country that forced down Morales' plane. It had to land (or eventually crash out of fuel) after France, Italy etc. forbade it to cross their airspace. On whose order these NATO countries did that gets you no prize.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-morales-plane

Austria, if anything, did the diplomatic thing; something that Switzerland might have been expected to do otherwise.
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Old 29.05.2021, 16:28
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No, intentions are different way I see it

- Snowden - was and is active security thread to USA.
- Belarusian - he is nothing more than political figure with no possession of top-secret information that could hurt the state that he acquired on his own.

Expertise makes it dangerous in wrong hands , person voicing his opinion is just opponent but not dangerous to population of the country.


Seriously, how brainwashed are you?

(Assuming by thread you meant threat)
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Old 29.05.2021, 16:52
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Seriously, how brainwashed are you?

(Assuming by thread you meant threat)
I wish to share with you that idealistic and naive view of the possition Snowden is in .. as well I wish I was 40-years younger ..s

It's not about what Snowden revealed - it's about him trying to stay "free" and making worst possible outcome for himself going to Russia.

I do know well to well how he's being handled and his life is at mercy of his handlers every step of the way with no way out.
There is likely no secret he hasn't traded for his moment of freedom ... and there will be no "no" as an answer to any request coming his way onwards
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Old 29.05.2021, 16:58
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Oh, and by the way, I won't pin/quote, but to set that part of the record clear: Austria is not the country that forced down Morales' plane. It had to land (or eventually crash out of fuel) after France, Italy etc. forbade it to cross their airspace. On whose order these NATO countries did that gets you no prize.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-morales-plane

Austria, if anything, did the diplomatic thing; something that Switzerland might have been expected to do otherwise.
Didn't I wrote it down in this thread like few days ago ? Yes... you could quote me actually

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Really... which guy has worked for not one but two foreign governments?

I know I'd rather have that guy on my team. Just take the time to listen to him.
following 1o1 step 2b. from troll-fram-manual ?

"Methods:
Web brigades commentators sometimes leave hundreds of postings a day that criticize the country's opposition and promote Kremlin-backed policymakers. Commentators simultaneously react to discussions of "taboo" topics, including the historical role of Soviet leader Joseph Stalin, political opposition, dissidents such as Mikhail Khodorkovsky, murdered journalists, and cases of international conflict or rivalry (with countries such as Estonia, Georgia, and Ukraine, but also with the foreign policies of the United States and the European Union).[24] Prominent journalist and Russia expert Peter Pomerantsev believes Russia's efforts are aimed at confusing the audience, rather than convincing it. He states that they cannot censor information but can "trash it with conspiracy theories and rumours".[29]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_web_brigades

in case you never got to the bottom of the wikipedia

In 2020, the research firm Graphika published a reported detailing one particular Russian disinformation group codenamed "Secondary Infektion" (alluding to 80's Operation Infektion) operating running since 2014. Over 6 years the group published over 2,500 items in seven languages and to over 300 platforms such as social media (Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, Reddit) and discussion forums. The group specialized in highly divisive topics regarding immigration, environment, politics, international relations and frequently used fake images presented as "leaked documents".[57]


And a question : have you ever lived in Communist country ?

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Old 29.05.2021, 17:09
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You forgot to add Churchill and Roosevelt to the list of guys who decided the fate of some countries....I'm not sure anger for the past will fix things in the present though. Particularly the case at hand.
..and they seat and keep smiling all together ...
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Old 29.05.2021, 17:12
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Re: Ryanair plane forced to abort descent and forced to land in Weissrussland [Belaru

Ahem. #163 was for the grown-ups. Case closed.
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Old 29.05.2021, 17:14
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Ahem. #163 was for the grown-ups. Case closed
I guess things didn't go your way this time.. but you can close the browser if you like...
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Old 30.05.2021, 15:04
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Re: Ryanair plane forced to abort descent and forced to land in Weissrussland [Belaru

Ryanair pilots were not allowed to contact airline and Minsk tower claims they got no response on call to Ryanair on-ground control centre.

So sounds Ryanair pilots have no satellite phone on board .

Also emails that were "sent" seem to be sent 20min later than Minsk tower called airplane to land due to the explosives on board .

Doggy all the way ... and winner in either cases is Putin

https://www.deccanherald.com/interna...ne-991078.html
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Old 30.05.2021, 20:40
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Re: Ryanair plane forced to abort descent and forced to land in Weissrussland [Belaru

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/espiona...laims/44402664

wasn't that GVA where Snowden suddenly found his conscious - друзья at their best ..
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Old 31.05.2021, 22:59
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Re: Ryanair plane forced to abort descent and forced to land in Weissrussland [Belaru

Now Andriej Piwowarow is taken out of the plane at Petersburg airport .. so after Navalny there is .next and list never ends
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Old 31.05.2021, 23:31
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Ryanair pilots were not allowed to contact airline and Minsk tower claims they got no response on call to Ryanair on-ground control centre.

So sounds Ryanair pilots have no satellite phone on board .

Also emails that were "sent" seem to be sent 20min later than Minsk tower called airplane to land due to the explosives on board .

Doggy all the way ... and winner in either cases is Putin

https://www.deccanherald.com/interna...ne-991078.html

Reuters https://www.moonofalabama.org/2021/0...acts.html#more


For we all know that Ryanair ignores bomb threats and never diverts... https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...eat/ar-AAKz9zl
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Re: Ryanair plane forced to abort descent and forced to land in Weissrussland [Belaru

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Reuters https://www.moonofalabama.org/2021/0...acts.html#more


For we all know that Ryanair ignores bomb threats and never diverts... https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...eat/ar-AAKz9zl
What do you mean with ignores and never diverts ?
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