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Old 02.06.2021, 14:52
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Iran's largest warship

catches fire today and sinks.

Fingers are pointing at a certain neighbourhood non-Muslim country.

Or maybe it was just incompetence?
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Old 02.06.2021, 15:54
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Re: Iran's largest warship

Is a struggle to call that a warship. It was a tender, albeit the largest ship in the Iranian Navy.

And Sh*t happens when you are dealing with fuel oil.
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Re: Iran's largest warship

Just out of historical interest: the Islamic revolution was in 79. All hell broke lose and the west didnt want to deal with them anymore after the us embassy hostage story. First gulf war breaks out... How come the UK delivered them this ship in 84?
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Old 02.06.2021, 16:13
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Fingers are pointing at a certain neighbourhood non-Muslim country.
Armenia? they have enough problems !
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Old 02.06.2021, 16:22
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Just out of historical interest: the Islamic revolution was in 79. All hell broke lose and the west didnt want to deal with them anymore after the us embassy hostage story. First gulf war breaks out... How come the UK delivered them this ship in 84?
The Wiki has a summary of the story. The ship was used more than once as bargaining chip for hostages https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRIS_K..._commissioning

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She was painted in battleship grey[15] and between September 1979 and February 1980, she undertook sea trials in secrecy.[19] Though she was delivered to the Iranian government on 25 April 1980, the UK government refused an export license for the ship that had been wholly paid by Iran.[20] This resulted in Kharg's some 200 crew members being trapped in the United Kingdom.[21] Swan Hunter declared that it was uninvolved in any political implications and considered building Kharg a "straightforward commercial contract".[15] The Guardian warned Iranians that Kharg may become subject to a "theft" similar to Reşad V, the battleship ordered by the Ottoman Navy from Vickers and seized by the British in 1914 to join the Royal Navy fleet.[22]

Many negotiations were undertaken to release the vessel,[23] and the British told the Iranians that as long as the American hostages were not released, Kharg would remain in the United Kingdom.[19] However, after the hostages returned to the United States, the export license remained unissued and in August 1981 the Foreign Office declared that the ship would not be handed to Iran for a foreseeable future,[19] citing the detention of a British national in Iran, Andrew Pyke, as the reason.[24] Pyke was released in February 1982[25] and in July Iran sent three high-ranking officers to inspect the Kharg.[19] On 10 July 1984, Kharg arrived at Tyne Ship repairers for overhaul[26] and she started sea trials on 4 September.[5] Kharg left the dock for Iran on 5 October 1984,[27] after the UK government approved her export without any armaments[5] on the grounds that she was "not suitable for use in the war against Iraq".[23]
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Old 02.06.2021, 22:13
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Just out of historical interest: the Islamic revolution was in 79. All hell broke lose and the west didnt want to deal with them anymore after the us embassy hostage story. First gulf war breaks out... How come the UK delivered them this ship in 84?
It was a nice little earner? Or the Iranians had already paid for it under the Shah?
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Old 03.06.2021, 10:57
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Re: Iran's largest warship

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Old 03.06.2021, 11:13
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1. Iran's largest ship sinks today, while we know they are not too shabby at maintenance during sanctions
2. A large refinery in the south of Tehran catches fire today as well and we know they are not too shabby at refining despite sanctions
3. Bibi, also known as the outgoing Israeli PM, says he's prepared for 'friction' with US over Iran

1 coincidence? Possible. 3 coincidences during the Vienna negotiations? Impossible
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Old 03.06.2021, 13:53
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1 coincidence? Possible. 3 coincidences during the Vienna negotiations? Impossible
When the NYT reported on the murder of Mohsen Fakhrizadeh, Iran’s top nuclear scientist, in november last year they speculated that the aims may be twofold. One, crippling Iran's nuclear program and two, keeping the nuclear agreement from 2015 defunct.

They quoted Bibi with
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“There must be no return to the previous nuclear agreement,” he declared shortly after it became clear that Mr. Biden — who has proposed exactly that [the revival of the 2015 nuclear agreement] — would be the next president.
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So no, Axa, the hostilities don't just rise as the WaPo claims, those flames are intentionally fanned by Israel. Bibi may well want to create facts that make negotiations impossible before he's replaced, as seems to be the prospect.
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Old 03.06.2021, 14:16
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So no, Axa, the hostilities don't just rise as the WaPo claims, those flames are intentionally fanned by Israel. Bibi may well want to create facts that make negotiations impossible before he's replaced, as seems to be the prospect.
I don't care much about the narrative coming from either side. Both will claim to be pure and moral ones.

What I consider is the fact of a submarine from Israel in the Persian Gulf waters. Israel has no border with the Persian Gulf, the closest Israel border to that sea is about 1500 km away in straight line.

This is interesting because deploying a submarine in international waters far away from borders is hard to interpret as defense.
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This is interesting because deploying a submarine in international waters far away from borders is hard to interpret as defense.
Land borders are irrelevant nowadays with the long-range missiles. And I guess you could say the same for the Royal Navy or US Navy pootling around in Asian waters.

Anyway, and I may have missed it, had the Israelis been involved, I have no doubt the Iranians would have immediately said so. As it is, that doesn't seem to be the case.
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I don't care much about the narrative coming from either side. Both will claim to be pure and moral ones.

What I consider is the fact of a submarine from Israel in the Persian Gulf waters. Israel has no border with the Persian Gulf, the closest Israel border to that sea is about 1500 km away in straight line.

This is interesting because deploying a submarine in international waters far away from borders is hard to interpret as defense.
That I agree with.

I find it noteworthy that Israel is telling Teheran about it. Generally, keeping the enemy in the dark is useful. Publishing that info is a message in itself, a message of strength as well as a threat.
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Old 03.06.2021, 14:43
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I don't care much about the narrative coming from either side. Both will claim to be pure and moral ones.

What I consider is the fact of a submarine from Israel in the Persian Gulf waters. Israel has no border with the Persian Gulf, the closest Israel border to that sea is about 1500 km away in straight line.

This is interesting because deploying a submarine in international waters far away from borders is hard to interpret as defense.
It is probably a bluff, deploying a 13m tall submarine in the Persian Gulf that has a mean depth of 50m does not sound like a viable strategy.
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Old 03.06.2021, 14:51
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What I consider is the fact of a submarine from Israel in the Persian Gulf waters. Israel has no border with the Persian Gulf, the closest Israel border to that sea is about 1500 km away in straight line.

This is interesting because deploying a submarine in international waters far away from borders is hard to interpret as defense.
Israel has peace deals with several countries bordering the Persian Gulf, including Bahrain.

It's quite normally for military vessels to visit the ports of befriended nations for goodwill purposes.

If anybody knows their way around in local news sources, it would be interesting to check whether any such a visit has been reported on.
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Old 03.06.2021, 15:38
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It is probably a bluff, deploying a 13m tall submarine in the Persian Gulf that has a mean depth of 50m does not sound like a viable strategy.
Um, let me tell you about the baltic sea... average depth 55 meters. There were few waters with more subs during the cold war.
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Israel has peace deals with several countries bordering the Persian Gulf, including Bahrain.

It's quite normally for military vessels to visit the ports of befriended nations for goodwill purposes.

If anybody knows their way around in local news sources, it would be interesting to check whether any such a visit has been reported on.
There you go.
https://www.tehrantimes.com/
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