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Re: French warn of radiological threat from Chinese nuclear plant

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Details here (in French): https://www.lefigaro.fr/flash-eco/ep...ishan-20210614

The leak is within the primary circuit. So, there should be no connection with radiation testing outside the plant. Unless the whole circuit design is faulty.

Speaking of leaks, the French reached out to the American government (U.S. Department of Energy). The usual CIA whore, CNN, reported this. Now, that is a leak that will make the world less secure as a U.S. ally see its confidential information sharing abused for short-term political advantage.
That's an interesting view on the role of the press.

I don't think there should be a thing like confidential information except private matters between friends.
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That's an interesting view on the role of the press.
To stay with the times...
https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/...rnal00unit.pdf
https://www.cato.org/commentary/how-...es-news-media#
And along the political spectrum, Loch Johnson's work (consume both with moderation)


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I don't think there should be a thing like confidential information except private matters between friends.
Then you are ready to travel our great democracies... provided you are flexible about the part regarding "private matters between friends".
As proposed in the US, already done elsewhere: https://www.theatlantic.com/technolo...swords/516315/
And then...
https://whatsyourtech.ca/2019/07/15/...device-checks/
https://www.theverge.com/2019/8/31/2...ajjawi-harvard
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Old 16.06.2021, 11:21
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“What sites do you visit? And give us your passwords.”

That’s what U.S. Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly wants foreign visitors to hear before they’re allowed to enter the United States. “If they don’t want to give us that information, then they don’t come,” he said, while testifying in front of the House Homeland Security Committee on Tuesday.

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The suggestion was met with horror among privacy advocates. “With that kind of access, they can not only see what you’ve publicly posted, but things you haven't posted yet, private messages, private lists, they can impersonate you, and even do these things on accident,” wrote Joseph Lorenzo Hall, the chief technologist at the Center for Democracy and Technology, on his website.
Sounds like a good excuse for questionable modding decisions on the EF .
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Old 16.06.2021, 11:34
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To stay with the times...
https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/...rnal00unit.pdf
https://www.cato.org/commentary/how-...es-news-media#
And along the political spectrum, Loch Johnson's work (consume both with moderation)



Then you are ready to travel our great democracies... provided you are flexible about the part regarding "private matters between friends".
As proposed in the US, already done elsewhere: https://www.theatlantic.com/technolo...swords/516315/
And then...
https://whatsyourtech.ca/2019/07/15/...device-checks/
https://www.theverge.com/2019/8/31/2...ajjawi-harvard
What did you not understand about
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That's an interesting view on the role of the press.

I don't think there should be a thing like confidential information except private matters between friends.
A possible radiological leak is not a private matter imo.


But I agree, the press should learn what they're here for.
Who with whom, where and why not longer and how many of what kind of kids came out of it all, is not it.
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Old 17.06.2021, 15:01
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Re: French warn of radiological threat from Chinese nuclear plant

China admits that some of the fuel rods are damaged, but says there is no risk and is not shutting down the plant.

https://www.independent.co.uk/asia/c...-b1866917.html
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Old 17.06.2021, 15:14
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Re: French warn of radiological threat from Chinese nuclear plant

The International Atomic Energy Agency published this:

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The China Atomic Energy Authority (CAEA) updated the IAEA today about an issue at the Taishan Nuclear Power Plant (NPP). CAEA said the plant is in normal condition and that operational safety is guaranteed. Unit 1 of the plant recently experienced a minor fuel rod cladding failure, which resulted in increased radioactivity in the unit’s primary reactor coolant, it said. CAEA said that this situation, as a common phenomenon in NPP operations, is dealt with in accordance with accepted standards and procedures. According to on-site monitoring and an expert assessment, the unit’s performance indicators, including the radioactivity of the primary reactor coolant, remain within the range of normal conditions and technical specifications, CAEA said. It also said the reactor unit’s coolant system pressure boundary is intact and that containment integrity is maintained. Continuous environmental radiation monitoring confirms that there has been no radiation release and that there is no environmental concern, CAEA said. The IAEA remains in contact with CAEA.
https://www.iaea.org/newscenter/pres...mental-concern

The interesting part is every single sentence refers to the past. Nothing said about the future or consequences. Pardon the poor automotive analogy but a engine with low oil level still runs fine for a while, but what matters is the future.
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China admits that some of the fuel rods are damaged, but says there is no risk and is not shutting down the plant.

https://www.independent.co.uk/asia/c...-b1866917.html
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The International Atomic Energy Agency published this:



https://www.iaea.org/newscenter/pres...mental-concern

The interesting part is every single sentence refers to the past. Nothing said about the future or consequences. Pardon the poor automotive analogy but a engine with low oil level still runs fine for a while, but what matters is the future.
The problem lies with the fuel rods, which are much smaller individually in an EPR. So the damage is limited, but it matters whether this will occur again. In that respect, the immediate question is whether this is a manufacturing defect (in France), transportation damage, or poor handling on site (in China). Either way, the Americans gain by disparaging their competitors in the nuclear energy sector.
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Old 18.06.2021, 09:57
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Either way, the Americans gain by disparaging their competitors in the nuclear energy sector.
Not really. Negative news about nuclear plants, whether objective or otherwise, erodes public trust in nuclear as a whole.
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Not really. Negative news about nuclear plants, whether objective or otherwise, erodes public trust in nuclear as a whole.
Indeed, German nuclear industry was not related at all to Fukushima plant in Japan and just look at what happened
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Indeed, German nuclear industry was not related at all to Fukushima plant in Japan and just look at what happened
especially as the German press somehow spun it along the line of ...

The Fukushima plant was damaged and leaked radioactive material due to a tsunami that killed over 100,000 people.

How about

A nuclear plant in China developed a fault, [something inaudible] Uighurs tortured and killed by the thousands.
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Re: French warn of radiological threat from Chinese nuclear plant

One thing said by the plant operators is true: these things happen.

BUT, when these things happen the reactor is stopped (it can take a while for this), checks are made, consultants get a new 911, if repairs are needed they get done and some months later the reactor is started again.

Don't know what impedes stopping the reactor and checking what's wrong. Pride? A scary big invoice? It's not like the Chinese electricity network will collapse because a few MW are missing for some months.
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Not really. Negative news about nuclear plants, whether objective or otherwise, erodes public trust in nuclear as a whole.

From a business standpoint, that's a risk worth taking if you are Westinghouse, selling a refreshed version of the older PWR design and eager to knock out the EPR.


And from a geopolitical standpoint, that's a no brainer for the US. Hence the megaphoned leak.
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One thing said by the plant operators is true: these things happen.

BUT, when these things happen the reactor is stopped (it can take a while for this), checks are made, consultants get a new 911, if repairs are needed they get done and some months later the reactor is started again.

Don't know what impedes stopping the reactor and checking what's wrong. Pride? A scary big invoice? It's not like the Chinese electricity network will collapse because a few MW are missing for some months.
I guess a mix of misplaced pride and not wanting to admit to previous errors.

Chernobyl was definitely caused/aggravated by operators and management trying to cover up previous errors rather than shutting it all down while they still could.

I guess it's what you get in a highly hierarchical and overly centralized and methodically organized society where people risk getting toasted for failing to meet targets or admitting their own mistakes. It builds a culture of dishonesty and encourages people to fake reports and pretend problems don't exist, thus often making those problems worse.
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I guess a mix of misplaced pride and not wanting to admit to previous errors.

Chernobyl was definitely caused/aggravated by operators and management trying to cover up previous errors rather than shutting it all down while they still could.

I guess it's what you get in a highly hierarchical and overly centralized and methodically organized society where people risk getting toasted for failing to meet targets or admitting their own mistakes. It builds a culture of dishonesty and encourages people to fake reports and pretend problems don't exist, thus often making those problems worse.
Hope the story ends in the reactor being stopped and checked and not in a future reboot of "seconds from disaster". One thing that old show left clear is that no society is free from those biases. If only the safety methods designed to operate machines and infrastructure were followed, the show would have only 1 season, no more.
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I guess a mix of misplaced pride and not wanting to admit to previous errors.

Chernobyl was definitely caused/aggravated by operators and management trying to cover up previous errors rather than shutting it all down while they still could.

I guess it's what you get in a highly hierarchical and overly centralized and methodically organized society where people risk getting toasted for failing to meet targets or admitting their own mistakes. It builds a culture of dishonesty and encourages people to fake reports and pretend problems don't exist, thus often making those problems worse.
Just commercial interests (greed to put it more crudely) can explain a lot. Look at the cable car incident at Lake Maggiore or the Boeing 737 Max story where something, which should have been put out of service, was not and with disastrous consequences.
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