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Old 17.01.2022, 19:28
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So you have chosen a photo of lady holding a flag as your example of what happened that day while simultaneously choosing to ignore all the other photos and footage that show people assaulting police officers, screaming "Hang Mike Pence!," breaking out windows to get inside the Capitol building and forcing their way into Congress chambers during the certification of an election, etc. while screaming "Stop the Steal?"

Do you normally just filter out any relevant information in order to try to validate your personal narrative?
I chose that picture as OAPs are not normally brought along to an insurrection those there's plenty of others to choose from to show how the ragtag group of misfits who assembled last January were never part of a serious coup.

That's what I find all the more remarkable, the pictures are there for everyone to see. How anyone can think this was some kind of insurgency is totally beyond me. Carry on believing it though if it makes you feel better, it's this type of detachment from reality that will see the GOP win handedly in the mid-terms!
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Old 17.01.2022, 21:53
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I chose that picture as OAPs are not normally brought along to an insurrection those there's plenty of others to choose from to show how the ragtag group of misfits who assembled last January were never part of a serious coup.

That's what I find all the more remarkable, the pictures are there for everyone to see. How anyone can think this was some kind of insurgency is totally beyond me. Carry on believing it though if it makes you feel better, it's this type of detachment from reality that will see the GOP win handedly in the mid-terms!
LOL!, you are the source of much amusement, your photo was taken in Kansas so over a thousand miles from Washington DC.

You could have shared this January 6 video that shows three hours of the violent and chaotic assault on Capitol police; only watch if you have a strong stomach.

With your usual surgical attention to accurate details, you will be happy to learn your photo of Capitol Meemaw, also known as Aunt Tifa, was taken at a peaceful protest in the Capitol building in Topeka, Kansas also on Jan 6.
It was not taken in the DC Capitol building.

Here are nice pictures of the interior of the Topeka building where you can see the distinctive columns and lighting which are completely different from DC.

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Old 17.01.2022, 22:05
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...My argument is that it is not normal to carry several guns in your car.
Maybe not several but where I come from people commonly carry two. A rifle for hunting and a handgun.
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Old 17.01.2022, 22:19
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I chose that picture as OAPs are not normally brought along to an insurrection those there's plenty of others to choose from to show how the ragtag group of misfits who assembled last January were never part of a serious coup.

That's what I find all the more remarkable, the pictures are there for everyone to see. How anyone can think this was some kind of insurgency is totally beyond me. Carry on believing it though if it makes you feel better, it's this type of detachment from reality that will see the GOP win handedly in the mid-terms!
Why didn't you choose a picture of someone who was really at the insurrection?
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Old 17.01.2022, 23:55
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I chose that picture as OAPs are not normally brought along to an insurrection those there's plenty of others to choose from to show how the ragtag group of misfits who assembled last January were never part of a serious coup.

That's what I find all the more remarkable, the pictures are there for everyone to see. How anyone can think this was some kind of insurgency is totally beyond me. Carry on believing it though if it makes you feel better, it's this type of detachment from reality that will see the GOP win handedly in the mid-terms!
You're doing that thing again where you try to distort the narrative on something in order to try to validate your own cognitive bias.

If this wasn't a serious (attempted) coup or insurrection, then why did thousands of people show up at the Capitol during the certification of an election, break down police barriers, assault police officers, break out windows of the Capitol in order to get inside and then force their way into the Senate chamber all while screaming "Stop the Steal!" and "Hang Mike Pence?"

Have you actually seen the footage of the riots that day, or is that something you've also been choosing to ignore? (And by the way, are you also going to ignore my questions?).



I suppose you think that Congress members should have simply gracefully let them inside to try to stop the certification of the election? Do you think that Mike Pence had no right to feel threatened when people were screaming that they want to hang him and are breaking out glass windows to get inside the chambers where he was, after having constructed a noose outside? Should the Capitol Police have simply stepped aside rather than trying to prevent an angry mob from breaking into the Capitol building which was full of US congress members at the time? Perhaps the Congress members should have simply offered the rioters some coffee and donuts and sat down with them to have a calm, rational discussion about an election that they are too irate and delusional to admit had been legitimately won by someone other than Trump? Would that have brought them to their senses? Simply trying to explain to them that Biden had legitimately won?
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Old 20.01.2022, 12:13
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Re: January 6 US Capitol Insurrection

The Supreme Court's refusal to block the release of Trump White House documents to the House January 6 committee represents a huge defeat for the ex-President's frantic effort to cover up his 2021 coup attempt.

The major blow on Wednesday -- yet another instance of the courts rebuking Donald Trump's attempts to use them for his own political gain -- will allow the committee to go even deeper inside his West Wing and understand what was going on before and during his mob's attack on the US Capitol. It will also likely be viewed by the former President as a betrayal by the court's conservative majority, which he cemented with three picks for the top bench whom he saw as a legal insurance policy as he's continually sought to bend governing institutions to avoid accountability.
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The Supreme Court's refusal to block the release of Trump White House documents to the House January 6 committee represents a huge defeat for the ex-President's frantic effort to cover up his 2021 coup attempt.

The major blow on Wednesday -- yet another instance of the courts rebuking Donald Trump's attempts to use them for his own political gain -- will allow the committee to go even deeper inside his West Wing and understand what was going on before and during his mob's attack on the US Capitol. It will also likely be viewed by the former President as a betrayal by the court's conservative majority, which he cemented with three picks for the top bench whom he saw as a legal insurance policy as he's continually sought to bend governing institutions to avoid accountability.
Nice writing style, Marton. It would be adequate to quote the source instead of just copying CNN articles here.
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Old 20.01.2022, 12:47
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Nice writing style, Marton. It would be adequate to quote the source instead of just copying CNN articles here.


The idea here is that one comments on the content.

Did you notice at the bottom of my post "It is naive to assume my posts are my own work"?
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Old 20.01.2022, 13:09
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The idea here is that one comments on the content.

Did you notice at the bottom of my post "It is naive to assume my posts are my own work"?
I call bullshit, Mr Credible Sources.
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Old 20.01.2022, 13:57
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I call bullshit, Mr Credible Sources.
Looks ever more likely that Trump will get his just deserts now the Jan 6 committee has full access to this document treasure trove.

Would be good to know the effect of this Supreme Court stepping away from this case on the multiple lawsuits by Trump's inner circle trying to stop the subpoenas. Hopefully, those cases can be quickly declared moot and not drag on through the courts forever.
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I call bullshit, Mr Credible Sources.

What difference does it make, though, really? Someone can easily confirm the content of Marton's post. For example, I just did a google search for "supreme court blocks trump," and MANY search results appeared, confirming it, all dated within the last 12 hours. To me, what matters is the content -- not whether or not Marton copied and pasted it or remembered to include a link to the source.
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Re: January 6 US Capitol Insurrection

The insurrection investigation is going to be like RussiaGate all over again. Only this time there is an inevitability as we all saw what happened. Even when it turns out there is no evidence of a coup, there'll still be those claiming it is, just like with RussiaGate.
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What difference does it make, though, really? Someone can easily confirm the content of Marton's post. For example, I just did a google search for "supreme court blocks trump," and MANY search results appeared, confirming it, all dated within the last 12 hours. To me, what matters is the content -- not whether or not Marton copied and pasted it or remembered to include a link to the source.
I believe it is a matter of manners to give a source or at least put the quote into quotation marks.
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Old 20.01.2022, 15:40
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What difference does it make, though, really? Someone can easily confirm the content of Marton's post. For example, I just did a google search for "supreme court blocks trump," and MANY search results appeared, confirming it, all dated within the last 12 hours. To me, what matters is the content -- not whether or not Marton copied and pasted it or remembered to include a link to the source.
Thanks, Pancakes

I did not see any need to quote a source for something that was front page news in every US news source (even Fox News) and many others worldwide. It was different from quoting the result of some obscure study only published in a Science Journal out of Mongolia. We are not robots and can be flexible.

People usually complained that I added links to my Trump posts so I was very happy to get an opposing view.

“The Select Committee has already begun to receive records that the former President had hoped to keep hidden and we look forward to additional productions regarding this important information,” Chairman Rep. Bennie Thompson, D-Miss., and Vice Chair Rep. Liz Cheney, R-Wyo., said in a statement issued Wednesday evening.

Chairman Bennie G. Thompson (D-MS) yesterday announced that the Select Committee has issued subpoenas to Nicholas J. Fuentes and Patrick Casey as a part of its investigation into the January 6th attack on the U.S. Capitol and its causes.

Nicholas J. Fuentes and Patrick Casey are leaders of the “America First” or “Groyper” movement and were present on the Capitol grounds on January 6th. According to public reports, both Fuentes and Casey received tens of thousands of dollars in Bitcoin from a French computer programmer, funds the FBI has scrutinized to assess whether funds from this donor were linked to the Capitol attack or otherwise used to fund illegal activity.
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Old 20.01.2022, 15:47
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The insurrection investigation is going to be like RussiaGate all over again. Only this time there is an inevitability as we all saw what happened. Even when it turns out there is no evidence of a coup, there'll still be those claiming it is, just like with RussiaGate.
It is not over until the fat lady sings!

During his testimony, Mueller answered Republican Representative Ken Buck that a president could be charged with obstruction of justice (or other crimes) after the president left office.
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The insurrection investigation is going to be like RussiaGate all over again. Only this time there is an inevitability as we all saw what happened. Even when it turns out there is no evidence of a coup, there'll still be those claiming it is, just like with RussiaGate.
There is one way to solve this issue...have everyone involved testify under oath. In this time of misinformation, only when there are consequences for lying does the truth seem to prevail.
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But rules, such as the one that applications would only be accepted on the fifth Wednesday of any month, make a mockery of the whole idea. It needs to be as simple as getting a driver’s license.
Ever been to a DMV? Its anything but straightforward
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The University of Virginia's Tim Heaphy, who was on leave to help lead the House's investigation into the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol, was reportedly among 30 staffers Virginia Attorney General Jason Miyares dismissed upon taking office last week,
Miyares was appointed by Virginia Gov. Glenn Youngkin (R), who was sworn in on Jan. 15

Victoria LaCivita, a spokeswoman for Miyares said it was common for attorneys general to appoint counsel that align with one's “philosophy and legal approach.”

Presumably she meant "they had the wrong poitics".

Here is the link (behind a paywall)
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Old 24.01.2022, 17:04
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Re: January 6 US Capitol Insurrection

US really running into looney tunes territory

"Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich on Fox News yesterday morning, about the Jan 6 Congress committee.

"I think when you have a Republican Congress, this is all going to come crashing down, and the wolves are going to find out that they're now sheep and they're the ones who are in fact, I think, face a real risk of jail for the kinds of laws they're breaking."

Unfortunately, he failed to identify which laws.

Here is a link.
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US really running into looney tunes territory

"Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich on Fox News yesterday morning, about the Jan 6 Congress committee.

"I think when you have a Republican Congress, this is all going to come crashing down, and the wolves are going to find out that they're now sheep and they're the ones who are in fact, I think, face a real risk of jail for the kinds of laws they're breaking."

Unfortunately, he failed to identify which laws.

Here is a link.

Do you think it will matter "which laws" if the Republicans are in charge a year from now/ I don't.
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