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Old 08.07.2021, 10:05
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It is absolutely not OK, and please show me where “thousands” of Wal Mart stores were burned down.

Can you please answer my question now?
Your question was not honest and not open minded.

I have said several times that I do not justify what happened.

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In the future, whenever Americans are unhappy with the outcome of an election, should it be considered perfectly acceptable for them to storm the Capitol building, and assault police officer
A completely pointless question had you only read my posts rather than projecting your own twisted caricature of me into them.
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Old 08.07.2021, 10:12
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How about we reverse the question .

Every time a member of a minority gets killed by a rogue cop , should it be perfectly acceptable to burn down thousands of Wal Mart stores, because you know , in a mature democratic society that’s how you deal with cops who have gone bad ?
No, it's not acceptable. And the fact is, that doesn't happen every time a member of a minority gets killed by a rogue cop. Perhaps you've forgotten that the BLM protests were sparked by an incident where a cop suffocated a man to death despite that man pleading for his life and repeatedly telling the officer(s) that he was unable to breathe. An incident which the cop was later sentenced to 22 years in prison for.

Oh, but somehow here we are again, aren't we? Where the. subject has somehow been 'magically' shifted away from the Capitol riots and onto the BLM protests instead. Always, without fail. It's just pathetically predictable at this point.
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Old 08.07.2021, 10:14
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Your question was not honest and not open minded.

I have said several times that I do not justify what happened.

You asked



A completely pointless question had you only read my posts rather than projecting your own twisted caricature of me into them.
So then, you admit that the violent rioters at the Capitol were wrong and should be held accountable for their actions?
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Old 08.07.2021, 10:23
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So then, you admit that the violent rioters at the Capitol were wrong and should be held accountable for their actions?
I don't admit anything. This is not a cross examination.

But I have stated several times that vandalism and violence are wrong, no matter what the reason. Whether the perpetrators are BLM folks burning down a Walmart or vigilantes running amok in a government building.

To try to politicize one and downplay the other is also wrong.

Just as to do vice versa would be wrong.

To paint this as America being a hair's breadth away from losing its democracy is just pure BS and despicable opportunism.
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Old 08.07.2021, 10:25
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I don't admit anything. This is not a cross examination.

But I have stated several times that terrorism, vandalism and violence are wrong, no matter what the reason. Whether the perpetrators are BLM folks burning down a Walmart or vigilantes running amok in a government building.

To try to politicize one and downplay the other is also wrong.

To paint this as America being a hair's breadth away from losing its democracy is just bure BS.

Just as to do vice versa would be wrong.
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Old 08.07.2021, 10:27
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Your question was not honest and not open minded.

I have said several times that I do not justify what happened.

You asked
What was dishonest about my question? It seems anything that contradicts your opinion is considered “dishonest”.

You are a remarkably unreasonable person to converse with.

There is also a big difference between condemning an action and saying an action was “unjustified”.
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Old 08.07.2021, 10:33
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Can you show me one member of government who was intimidated to the point that they even vaguely considered giving in to the demands of the people who invaded the Capitol?

If just going through threatening motions is terrorism, every hate preacher is a terrorist.
That is not a definition of terrorism even unsuccessful terrorism is still terrorism. If a terrorist plants a bomb that fails to explode it is still terrorism.

Violently entering the Capitol building and threatening the lawmakers is terrorism.

If hate preachers violently entered the Capitol building as some did then they are terrorists.

A number of hate preachers (not all) have been charged with terrorism, even here in Switzerland.
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Old 08.07.2021, 10:38
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I don't admit anything. This is not a cross examination.

But I have stated several times that vandalism and violence are wrong, no matter what the reason. Whether the perpetrators are BLM folks burning down a Walmart or vigilantes running amok in a government building.

To try to politicize one and downplay the other is also wrong.

Just as to do vice versa would be wrong.

To paint this as America being a hair's breadth away from losing its democracy is just pure BS and despicable opportunism.
You don't understand why an attack on the Capitol building in which the rioters were attempting to overturn an election is "politicized?"
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Old 08.07.2021, 10:48
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Re: January 6 US Capitol Insurrection

I don't believe America's democracy was in much danger but I do believe Trump used his political stance and constant hyperbole to incite rioting. Trump refused to accept the democratic vote and his followers heard what they wanted to hear....riot and fight for your rights!

People were put in danger due to the out of control mob and Trump did little to stop it. I truly wish Trump would be found guilty of something....
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Old 08.07.2021, 10:59
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You don't understand why an attack on the Capitol building in which the rioters were attempting to overturn an election is "politicized?"
As there was 0% chance of them overturning the election, it is absurd to say that they were trying to do so.

They were just rioters.

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Old 08.07.2021, 11:02
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I don't believe America's democracy was in much danger
More like a bizarre theatre from what I've seen (not very much, I admit).
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As there was 0% chance of them overturning the election, it is absurd to say that they were trying to do so.

They were just rioters.

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Yes, there was zero chance of it happening - but that is exactly what those buffoons thought they were going to do. There are many who still even think it will happen.
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Old 08.07.2021, 11:06
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Yes, there was zero chance of it happening - but that is exactly what those buffoons thought they were going to do. There are many who still even think it will happen.
There are people who think they can kill the president by making a doll that resembles him somewhat, reciting incantations and sticking needles into the doll.

Is that terrorism?

Are they endangering democracy in America?
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Old 08.07.2021, 11:07
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As there was 0% chance of them overturning the election, it is absurd to say that they were trying to do so.

They were just rioters.

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Total nonsense! Just because they were unlikely to succeed does not make it remotely acceptable. Just the same as arguing a failure to tc commit murder should not be a crime.

Party before country what a sad day for America…
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As there was 0% chance of them overturning the election, it is absurd to say that they were trying to do so.

They were just rioters terrorists.

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You don't understand why an attack on the Capitol building in which the rioters were attempting to overturn an election is "politicized?"
I do understand. But I don't agree.
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Old 08.07.2021, 11:13
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There is also a big difference between condemning an action and saying an action was “unjustified”.
On another thread we were discussing the murder of a 13 year old girl by Afghan refugees.

Treverus, Olygirl and others were saying we shouldn't condemn that until all the facts are known.

Do you disagree with them?
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Old 08.07.2021, 11:14
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There are people who think they can kill the president by making a doll that resembles him somewhat, reciting incantations and sticking needles into the doll.

Is that terrorism?

Are they endangering democracy in America?
To quote our revered colleague Amogles "A completely pointless question".
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Old 08.07.2021, 11:15
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On another thread we were discussing the murder of a 13 year old girl by Afghan refugees.

Treverus, Olygirl and others were saying we shouldn't condemn that until all the facts are known.

Do you disagree with them?
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