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Old 08.07.2021, 11:16
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Re: January 6 US Capitol Insurrection

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There are people who think they can kill the president by making a doll that resembles him somewhat, reciting incantations and sticking needles into the doll.

Is that terrorism?

Are they endangering democracy in America?
What about…. What about…. What about…. That is all we hear, because there is no valid argument to justify an attempted insertion.

The one argument you can’t make and the only valid one is that they did not do it! It’s like a kindergartner telling you he didn’t eat the chocolate when it’s smeared all over his face.

Disappointing, very disappointing…
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Old 08.07.2021, 11:16
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Re: January 6 US Capitol Insurrection

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You know but anyway
"'If you don't fight like hell you're not going to have a country anymore".
"We are going to the Capitol"
So the first quote could just as well be from any president ever and the second one could be a tour guide ... some incitement...
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Old 08.07.2021, 11:16
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Just because they were unlikely to succeed does not make it remotely acceptable.
Where did I state that it was acceptable?

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Old 08.07.2021, 11:17
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Luckily most terrorists are unsuccessful but they are nevertheless terrorists.
Because succesful terrorists get to have their statues inside the Capitol.
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Old 08.07.2021, 11:19
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What about…. What about…. What about…. That is all we hear, because there is no valid argument to justify an attempted insertion.

The one argument you can’t make and the only valid one is that they did not do it! It’s like a kindergartner telling you he didn’t eat the chocolate when it’s smeared all over his face.

Disappointing, very disappointing…
If they did do it, Trump would now be president for life or something.

So it should be obvious even to the most obtuse that they didn't do it.
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Old 08.07.2021, 11:20
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What was dishonest about my question? It seems anything that contradicts your opinion is considered “dishonest”.

You are a remarkably unreasonable person to converse with.

There is also a big difference between condemning an action and saying an action was “unjustified”.
Strange that you are still reading my posts despite at least once having announced to much applause that you were putting me on ignore.
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Old 08.07.2021, 11:22
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It's not off topic.

I'm trying to find out when in the eyes of our learned friends one should condemn and when one shouldn't.
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Old 08.07.2021, 11:24
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What about…. What about…. What about…. That is all we hear, because there is no valid argument to justify an attempted insertion.
What the hell is an "attempted insertion"?

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Old 08.07.2021, 11:25
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What the hell is an "attempted insertion"?

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Something that happened in the Oval Office to Monika Lewinski.
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Old 08.07.2021, 11:31
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So the first quote could just as well be from any president ever and the second one could be a tour guide ... some incitement...
You are obviously smarter than those thousands who took those words as incitement to invade the Capitol.
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Old 08.07.2021, 11:33
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You are obviously smarter than those thousands who took those words as incitement to invade the Capitol.
Marton is back to judging people's smartness again.
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Old 08.07.2021, 11:34
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It's not off topic.

I'm trying to find out when in the eyes of our learned friends one should condemn and when one shouldn't.
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Old 08.07.2021, 11:34
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But I have stated several times that vandalism and violence are wrong, no matter what the reason. Whether the perpetrators are BLM folks burning down a Walmart or vigilantes running amok in a government building.
Nobody is denying vandalism is wrong. But we’re talking about vandalism, we’re talking about a sitting president on a podium encouraging his followers to march on the capital and they then doing so.

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To try to politicize one and downplay the other is also wrong.
Of course it’s political, the people were drawn into the capital for a rally organized by the Republicans, encouraged at the rally to march on the capital and the did it.

What else would in be in the circumstances?

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To paint this as America being a hair's breadth away from losing its democracy is just pure BS and despicable opportunism.
Despicable is denying the blatantly obvious, the fact is that there was a rally organized by the Republicans, the fact is that at that rally the president and several other speakers encouraged their supporters to march on the Capital and they did. And the president remained silent despite being fully aware until it was more or less all over.

And you are seeking to justify that behavior, sad, very sad…
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Old 08.07.2021, 11:36
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I'm trying to find out when in the eyes of our learned friends one should condemn and when one shouldn't.
You know very well.
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Old 08.07.2021, 11:37
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What the hell is an "attempted insertion"?

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You know very well.
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So the first quote could just as well be from any president ever and the second one could be a tour guide ... some incitement...
It's one thing to say "were going to the Capitol ( / White House)" during the election when it's obviously standard form for optimism / get-out-the-vote.

It's very different to say it after you've comprehensively lost, run months of false narrative that the election was stolen, and the date is when the election gets ratified.

Also to the best of my knowledge the president is only allowed to go to the Capitol when invited (separation of powers). If he'd invited them to attack the White House I guess that would have been different (up until 20th Jan when he left).
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It's not off topic.

I'm trying to find out when in the eyes of our learned friends one should condemn and when one shouldn't.
This deserves a sticky.
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On another thread we were discussing the murder of a 13 year old girl by Afghan refugees.

Treverus, Olygirl and others were saying we shouldn't condemn that until all the facts are known.

Do you disagree with them?
I’m not on that thread, I am here to discuss the subject matter at hand which you are completely incapable of doing.
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It's not off topic.

I'm trying to find out when in the eyes of our learned friends one should condemn and when one shouldn't.
And I would like to know the same. Why do some of the people who had condemned the BLM riots then try to excuse and justify and try to downplay the riots on the Capitol?
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Old 08.07.2021, 13:56
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So the first quote could just as well be from any president ever and the second one could be a tour guide ... some incitement...

If you don't know the difference then I'm sorry for you.


It's way past time treating these kind of ludicrous statements as valid comments in an adult argument.
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