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Well who would have thunk it

Exclusive: FBI finds scant evidence U.S. Capitol attack was coordinated - sources

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exc...es-2021-08-20/
You were a supporter of the theory that the U.S. Capitol attack was coordinated?
How disappointing for you.
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You were a supporter of the theory that the U.S. Capitol attack was coordinated?
How disappointing for you.
You think it wasn't a coordinated attack?
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Old 23.08.2021, 13:23
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You think it wasn't a coordinated attack?
Depends on the definition.

A number of defense attorneys for Capitol rioters made their defense along the lines of "These were gullible people of low intelligence who believed what Trump said and behaved accordingly".

I think there were some groups amongst the rioters who coordinated their actions but mostly they were a mob running wild; some even in fancy dress.
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Old 23.08.2021, 13:28
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DOJ has now upped its game from misdemeanors to criminal charges.
Both felonies and misdemeanours are criminal charges, the latter are simply "socially acceptable", rarely carry jail time, and don't disqualify you from certain privileges. (ie gun ownership).
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Old 27.08.2021, 01:00
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Re: January 6 US Capitol Insurrection

Trump is very good at evading legal cases, I wonder if they can make this one stick to him?

Seven US Capitol Police officers are suing former President Donald Trump, Stop the Steal rally organizers and members of far-right extremist groups,
accusing them of spreading lies, using White supremacist sentiments to attempt to overthrow the 2020 election,
and ultimately bearing responsibility for the riot that injured more than 140 officers on January 6.
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Old 27.08.2021, 13:49
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Depends on the definition.

A number of defense attorneys for Capitol rioters made their defense along the lines of "These were gullible people of low intelligence who believed what Trump said and behaved accordingly".

I think there were some groups amongst the rioters who coordinated their actions but mostly they were a mob running wild; some even in fancy dress.
Coordinated in the sense of "following the same time schedule"? Hadn't thought of that version. I agree, that's pretty self-evident.

However, not in the sense of "with an ulterior motif", with the intent to overthrow the gummint. They had reached their goal, were inside the capitol and could have run wild, yet nothing much of that sort happened. Those claims are the product of the lying MSM who use and instill outrage for their own monetary gain.
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Old 27.08.2021, 14:28
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Coordinated in the sense of "following the same time schedule"? Hadn't thought of that version. I agree, that's pretty self-evident.

However, not in the sense of "with an ulterior motif", with the intent to overthrow the gummint. They had reached their goal, were inside the capitol and could have run wild, yet nothing much of that sort happened. Those claims are the product of the lying MSM who use and instill outrage for their own monetary gain.
At no point were the protesters even within vague or remote striking distance of overthrowing the government. Even if they had held congress to gunpoint and forced them to pass laws, those laws would have been instantly void. The entire notion is constructed and ridiculous. It was public unrest and nothing more.
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Old 27.08.2021, 14:33
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At no point were the protesters even within vague or remote striking distance of overthrowing the government. Even if they had held congress to gunpoint and forced them to pass laws, those laws would have been instantly void. The entire notion is constructed and ridiculous. It was public unrest and nothing more.
Stop being reasonable. It's far more fun to throw the book at them. I'm just waiting for Extinction Rebellion (we're not protesting, we're rebelling) to be lock up as insurrectionists.
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Old 15.10.2021, 21:20
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Re: January 6 US Capitol Insurrection

A Capitol Police officer, Michael Angelo Riley, is facing two counts of obstruction of justice for allegedly trying to help someone avoid being prosecuted for the Jan. 6 riot by telling them to change Facebook posts to indicate they were not in the Capitol at the time of the riot.

So far 100 people have pleaded guilty to misdemeanors and been sentenced, most got probation; a few were jailed, the longest sentence so far is for 3 months.
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Old 26.10.2021, 11:19
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Re: January 6 US Capitol Insurrection

According to a Sunday article in Rolling Stone the organisers of the rally before the riot had “dozens” of planning briefings, and those who either participated or sent top staffers include GOP Reps. Marjorie Taylor Greene (Ga.), Paul Gosar (Ariz.), Lauren Boebert (Colo.), Mo Brooks (Ala.), Madison Cawthorn (N.C.), Andy Biggs (Ariz.), and Louie Gohmert (Texas.).

The same article claimed two anonymous sources told Rolling Stone that Gosar in particular dangled the prospect of pardons for those involved in the planning.

Most of these lawmakers have denied involvement but Ali Alexander, a Stop the Steal founder who secured a permit to protest on the Capitol grounds on Jan. 6, is one of the rally planners who has been the most vocal about his alleged coordination with lawmakers, posting live streams saying he had discussions with Brooks, Biggs, and Gosar.

A number of Dem lawmakers have demanded these GOP reps resign but they do not have the votes to force this.
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Old 13.11.2021, 00:36
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Re: January 6 US Capitol Insurrection

US Dept. of Justice surprisingly taking action against the first of the people who disobeyed subpoenas from the Congress committee investigating Jan 6.

A federal grand jury has indicted Steve Bannon, the one-time White House adviser to former President Trump, after he failed to comply with a subpoena from the committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol.

Bannon now faces two charges of contempt of Congress, one for failing to appear for an Oct. 14 deposition before the panel and another for refusal to provide documents.

Bannon is claiming executive privilege over his conversations with Trump which implies there is something to hide.

Sentences for the rioters are getting more severe, Jan 6 rioter who assaulted a police officer gets 41 months in jail.
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Old 13.11.2021, 11:09
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Bannon now faces two charges of contempt of Congress, one for failing to appear for an Oct. 14 deposition before the panel and another for refusal to provide documents.
I doubt very much that either Trump or Bannon would have any qualms about telling a few lies, so I assume there must be documents…..

I never understood the need for wrong doers to keep records of their wrong doing nor their failure to destroy them. I guess it’s just the confidence of not being caught. I remember being told the first time I went in as a member of an insolvency team to collect the diaries and personal documents found in the offices and clearly document the process. I did not expect to find anything, but to my surprise there were always plenty of documents! I can only remember one occasion of walking in on someone in the process of destroying documents.
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US Dept. of Justice surprisingly taking action against the first of the people who disobeyed subpoenas from the Congress committee investigating Jan 6.

A federal grand jury has indicted Steve Bannon, the one-time White House adviser to former President Trump, after he failed to comply with a subpoena from the committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol.

Bannon now faces two charges of contempt of Congress, one for failing to appear for an Oct. 14 deposition before the panel and another for refusal to provide documents.

Bannon is claiming executive privilege over his conversations with Trump which implies there is something to hide.

Sentences for the rioters are getting more severe, Jan 6 rioter who assaulted a police officer gets 41 months in jail.
Good. That asshole could use a few months in jail.

Has Mike Pence been subpoenaed? He seems to be the guy who in court would at least not flat out lie (maybe forget), and he might have something to say if and how the sinister plan for him to stop the elector confirmation and the organisation of the "rally" were orchestrated by Trump.

I know it will never happen, but Trump should be charged with seditious conspiracy.
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Old 13.11.2021, 20:36
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The thought of Bannon in jail is quite entertaining. In general population, he would for safety reasons probably join the Aryan Brotherhood within hours. Which I think is where his career was headed to anyway.
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At no point were the protesters even within vague or remote striking distance of overthrowing the government. Even if they had held congress to gunpoint and forced them to pass laws, those laws would have been instantly void. The entire notion is constructed and ridiculous. It was public unrest and nothing more.
Maybe not overthrowing, but they were certainly within striking distance of doing physical harm to the members of Congress present in the building. Mobs don't behave in rational and predictable ways. It would have been a very, very dark day had these individuals actually harmed a member of Congress. We're lucky that most of them were so surprised they got inside that they weren't sure what to do with themselves.
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Something that happened in the Oval Office to Monika Lewinski.
Even I know the difference between a insurrection and a BJ
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The thought of Bannon in jail is quite entertaining. In general population, he would for safety reasons probably join the Aryan Brotherhood within hours. Which I think is where his career was headed to anyway.
Oh I expect that if it comes to it he will do a deal, I can see him having any difficulty in doing what is necessary to save his own skin.
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At no point were the protesters even within vague or remote striking distance of overthrowing the government. Even if they had held congress to gunpoint and forced them to pass laws, those laws would have been instantly void. The entire notion is constructed and ridiculous. It was public unrest and nothing more.

It was not about over throwing the government. It was about getting congress to not certify the electoral votes. That would have allowed congress to vote on the president. The vote is done by state, not by individual representative. The Republicans have more state representation, and they would have voted for Trump.
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It was not about over throwing the government. It was about getting congress to not certify the electoral votes. That would have allowed congress to vote on the president. The vote is done by state, not by individual representative. The Republicans have more state representation, and they would have voted for Trump.
Thanks for the explanation of how they wanted to cancel a Democratic vote and therefore overthrow the government.
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Old 14.11.2021, 12:37
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Thanks for the explanation of how they wanted to cancel a Democratic vote and therefore overthrow the government.
Well, in legal terms it is not so easy. Suggest you read the US Code for the definitions of insurrection, seditious conspiracy, overthrowing government.
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