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Rudy Giuliani suspended from practicing law in New York state

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"In a ruling released Thursday following disciplinary proceedings, a New York appellate court concluded that "there is uncontroverted evidence" that Giuliani "communicated demonstrably false and misleading statements to courts, lawmakers and the public at large in his capacity as lawyer for former President Donald J. Trump and the Trump campaign in connection with Trump's failed effort at reelection in 2020.""

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Re: Rudy Giuliani suspended from practicing law in New York state

Would there really be a need to suspend him after that weird press conference at Four Seasons and Borat?
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Old 24.06.2021, 18:16
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Re: Rudy Giuliani suspended from practicing law in New York state

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Would there really be a need to suspend him after that weird press conference at Four Seasons and Borat?
It is two entirely different matters. As an officer of the court every lawyer must adhere to certain standards including one as simple as not tell blatant lies. If you let one off you set the precedent for others to follow.

Several lawyers involved took it right up to the line before walking away, he was dumb enough to cross the line.
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Old 24.06.2021, 18:21
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Re: Rudy Giuliani suspended from practicing law in New York state

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It is two entirely different matters. As an officer of the court every lawyer must adhere to certain standards including one as simple as not tell blatant lies. If you let one off you set the precedent for others to follow.

Several lawyers involved took it right up to the line before walking away, he was dumb enough to cross the line.
Other lawyers also being scrutinised for similar.
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Old 24.06.2021, 18:35
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Re: Rudy Giuliani suspended from practicing law in New York state

I wouldn't call what he was doing "practicing law".

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Re: Rudy Giuliani suspended from practicing law in New York state

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I wouldn't call what was doing "practicing law".
Exactly the reason his licence was suspended.
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I wouldn't call what was doing "practicing law".
Maybe he was practicing law in the vain hope of getting better at it.
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Old 24.06.2021, 22:18
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Re: Rudy Giuliani suspended from practicing law in New York state

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Former President Trump on Thursday slammed the decision by a New York court to suspend his former personal attorney Rudy Giuliani's license to practice law in the state, calling the former mayor "the Eliot Ness of his generation."
Poor Eliot must be spinning in his grave.
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Re: Rudy Giuliani suspended from practicing law in New York state

It's a pity he's totally tainted his legacy as a half decent mayor of nyc
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Re: Rudy Giuliani suspended from practicing law in New York state

For those of you who don't know Eliot Ness's legacy, he was a crusader for enforcement of (alcohol) Prohibition. As the CEO of Overstock has reported (and he's a yuuuuge Trumper), Rudy was pie-faced a lot of the time...so Ness is indeed spinning in his grave.
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Pie-faced? That's a new one to me, I've heard off-his-face, s**t faced and a few others but nothing to do with pie. Which is slightly surprising having lived in Scotland for many years where the combination of pie and alcohol is traditional.

I guess this is in addition to being usually red faced and occasionally scary-brown-streaks faced.
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Pie-faced? That's a new one to me, I've heard off-his-face, s**t faced and a few others but nothing to do with pie.
I was trying to be polite and used instead the term for a blank-faced stupified look (brought on by drinking, according to his own staff, 3 shots before the infamous Dye-Gate).
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Old 26.06.2021, 10:38
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Re: Rudy Giuliani suspended from practicing law in New York state

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The decision to suspend an attorney while he is still being investigated is highly unusual and customarily reserved for only the most serious forms of professional misconduct.
But the court has made a compelling case that Giuliani's misconduct was a knowing and deliberate attempt by an officer of the court to disrupt and obstruct America's 2020 presidential election in violation of the legal profession's code of professional responsibility.
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Old 26.06.2021, 13:14
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Since nearly every Trump thread is closed have to start a new one.

"In a ruling released Thursday following disciplinary proceedings, a New York appellate court concluded that "there is uncontroverted evidence" that Giuliani "communicated demonstrably false and misleading statements to courts, lawmakers and the public at large in his capacity as lawyer for former President Donald J. Trump and the Trump campaign in connection with Trump's failed effort at reelection in 2020.""

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/06/24/p...law/index.html
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Old 29.06.2021, 20:16
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Re: Rudy Giuliani suspended from practicing law in New York state

The Justice Department is investigating Rudy Giuliani over alleged efforts to lobby former President Trump on behalf of Turkish interests.

In 2017, it is alleged Giuliani pushed Trump to drop federal charges against Reza Zarrab, an Iranian-Turkish gold trader accused of helping a state-owned Turkish bank funnel $10 billion to Iran in defiance of U.S. sanctions. He also urged Trump to extradite exiled Turkish cleric Fethullah Gülen to Turkey, a top priority of Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan.
Trump ultimately did not go forward with either of Giuliani’s requests. Zarrab later pleaded guilty to evading sanctions and directly implicated Erdoğan in the scheme.

Federal prosecutors are investigating whether Giuliani made the requests on behalf of the Turkish government without registering as a foreign agent.

The Justice Department could require Giuliani to register as a foreign agent and disclose his Turkish contacts.

Giuliani, who has not reported his influence activity in public filings, has denied lobbying for foreign interests. A lawyer for Giuliani did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
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Old 29.06.2021, 22:07
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Since nearly every Trump thread is closed have to start a new one.

"In a ruling released Thursday following disciplinary proceedings, a New York appellate court concluded that "there is uncontroverted evidence" that Giuliani "communicated demonstrably false and misleading statements to courts, lawmakers and the public at large in his capacity as lawyer for former President Donald J. Trump and the Trump campaign in connection with Trump's failed effort at reelection in 2020.""

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/06/24/p...law/index.html
Isn't that the job of a defense lawyer? Do whatever it takes to help the client.

A lawyer isn't under oath, right?
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Isn't that the job of a defense lawyer? Do whatever it takes to help the client.

A lawyer isn't under oath, right?
LOL. Manipulating the head of the executive branch to influence the judicial branch to drop charges against an alleged foreign agent? I am sure they teach this in law school. A lot.
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Old 29.06.2021, 22:26
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Isn't that the job of a defense lawyer? Do whatever it takes to help the client.

A lawyer isn't under oath, right?
A lawyer in the US has to conform to their profession's ethical standards or risk losing their licence to practice, as demonstrated by Giuliani.

Amongst other failings the NY Court referenced 4.1.
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Old 29.06.2021, 22:42
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Isn't that the job of a defense lawyer? Do whatever it takes to help the client.

A lawyer isn't under oath, right?
If you read the ruling, it states in part:
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All attorneys who are licensed to practice law in New York are subject to the Rules of Conduct, which establish a framework for the ethical practice of the law and a lawyer’s duties as an officer of the legal system.
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Interim suspension is a serious remedy, available only in situations where it is immediately necessary to protect the public from the respondent’s violation of the Rules.
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Only uncontroverted claims of professional misconduct may serve as a basis for interim suspension on this motion. In connection with its claim that uncontroverted attorney misconduct has occurred, the AGC relies upon the following provisions of the New York Rules of Professional Conduct: rule 3.3 which provides that: “(a) A lawyer shall not knowingly: (1) make a false statement of fact or law to a tribunal . . . .” rule 4.1 which provides that: “In the course of representing a client, a lawyer shall not knowingly make a false statement of fact or law to a third person,” and rule 8.4 “A lawyer or law firm shall not: . . . (c) engage in conduct involving dishonesty, fraud, deceit or misrepresentation, . . . or (h) engage in any other conduct that adversely reflects on the lawyer’s fitness as a lawyer.” Under the Rules of Professional Conduct, the prohibition against false statements is broad and includes misleading statements as well as affirmatively false statements.
Lawyers always stretch the truth but absolute lies are a no-no.

The NY ruling says he made false statements in court, as an officer of the court. He used his position as a lawyer to lend credibility to his public statements, and to insert himself into lawsuits in states other than New York.

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"Though Giuliani told the court that he would "exercise personal discipline" and refrain from making further statements about the election in his capacity as a lawyer, according to the ruling, the court found that he had continued to make false statements since the submission of the application for suspension of his license."
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Re: Rudy Giuliani suspended from practicing law in New York state

Looks like Giuliani will only see the inside of a courtroom in the future as a defendant since DC has now followed NY and suspended his licence.
Hopefully, all the other lawyers who supported Trump's big lie with lies, fact-free conspiracy theories and false facts will also lose their licences and so a much-needed clean up the legal system.

Lawyers already facing formal ethics hearings include Lin Wood, Sidney Powell, and Erik Kaardal, which cannot be too soon for the rest of the bad bunch, what do you think?

Such lawyers are already named in a number of lawsuits alleging defamation and requiring compensation.
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