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Old 04.07.2021, 15:06
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Sending money home? .

What is it about a war that you don't understand?

Next you'll be telling me that in Afghanistan, Amazon delivers stuff to caves.
Understand? Me? You need to venture out of your theoretical world and look at the real one.

Such money being sent home is an important part of the receiving country's economy so they make sure it works, around a half billion US per year per country.
In Syria, the civil war started in 2011.
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Since you asked, Afghanistan at war since 2001
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Amazon will ship just about any item to Afghanistan—as long as you know the right way to do it. Our 2-step strategy shows you exactly how to get just about any item on Amazon.com delivered to Afghanistan.
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Understand? Me? You need to venture out of your theoretical world and look at the real one.

Such money being sent home is an important part of the receiving country's economy so they make sure it works, around a half billion US per year per country.
In Syria, the civil war started in 2011.
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Since you asked, Afghanistan at war since 2001
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Amazon will ship just about any item to Afghanistan—as long as you know the right way to do it. Our 2-step strategy shows you exactly how to get just about any item on Amazon.com delivered to Afghanistan.
This reminds me of the time when I discovered we had business sales worth millions in Afhganistan (this was in early 2010).....trade overcomes wars....always....and most wars are driven by trade....
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Old 04.07.2021, 16:42
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No Marton, it does not work like that .

works like this usually:
https://cdn.enabbaladi.net/arabic/wp...19/12/02-3.jpg

Those people are fleeing bombs, violent regimes, burnt villages , no water, nothing ...... that's Refugees

What you're talkin about is immigration . (emmigration)
Nice photo but not what really happens, I assume you have not spoken with many refugees?
Presumably, this is a photo taken in Syria of the families left behind, the photo is from the newspaper enab baladi which is a Syrian newspaper that only prints news and photos from inside Syria.
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Old 04.07.2021, 16:47
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Understand? Me? You need to venture out of your theoretical world and look at the real one.

Such money being sent home is an important part of the receiving country's economy so they make sure it works, around a half billion US per year per country.
because maybe not every part of Afghanistan is embroiled in war?

I don't know what a war zone looks like in Marton's imagination, but it's probably a place where the postman comes every morning in an armoured van, doffs his cap and delivers the newspaper, and everybody mows the lawn wearing a bullet proof vest.

No Marton, when you're in the middle of a war you count yourself lucky every day that you're still alive. Sending daddy away to Austria to apply for asylum so that you can maybe follow him there in five years time or more is not a good strategy when the snipers are firing at you right now.
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Old 04.07.2021, 17:01
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because maybe not every part of Afghanistan is embroiled in war?

I don't know what a war zone looks like in Marton's imagination, but it's probably a place where the postman comes every morning in an armoured van, doffs his cap and delivers the newspaper, and everybody mows the lawn wearing a bullet proof vest.

No Marton, when you're in the middle of a war you count yourself lucky every day that you're still alive. Sending daddy away to Austria to apply for asylum so that you can maybe follow him there in five years time or more is not a good strategy when the snipers are firing at you right now.
It may not be a good strategy but it is real life.
Possibly poor uneducated people living in a war zone are not the best strategists
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Old 04.07.2021, 17:09
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It may not be a good strategy but it is real life.
Possibly poor uneducated people living in a war zone are not the best strategists
They must be very uneducated indeed if they don't see the hitch in that strategy.

But I'm sure your Afghani friends will be delighted to learn what you think of their intelligence.
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Old 04.07.2021, 17:14
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But he is doing a service - he is helping others violate the laws of the EU - and youtube is helping him. The other reason why we have a refugee "crisis" is because internet enabled mobile phones became incredibly cheap - so asylum "seekers" learned which lies to tell in which manner extremely quickly and published them to their friends.
The solution is simple - mass deportation to an offshore location and put the burden of proof on the applicant. Certainly coming to Switzerland should be an immediate red flag.
What is this refugee "crisis"? I do not know of any refugee crisis.

If you are pointing at Germany then
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The burden of care which mainly falls to women played a role in determining whether women were entering the job market, the study found.

The IAB is a federal agency.

This compares well with the overall German Labor Force Participation Rate of 62.6%

Or maybe some other refugee crisis?
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because maybe not every part of Afghanistan is embroiled in war?

I don't know what a war zone looks like in Marton's imagination, but it's probably a place where the postman comes every morning in an armoured van, doffs his cap and delivers the newspaper, and everybody mows the lawn wearing a bullet proof vest.

No Marton, when you're in the middle of a war you count yourself lucky every day that you're still alive. Sending daddy away to Austria to apply for asylum so that you can maybe follow him there in five years time or more is not a good strategy when the snipers are firing at you right now.
Not all parts are embroiled in physical war but the threat of the Taliban and its medieval draconian dictatorship affects daily life.
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Old 04.07.2021, 17:16
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They must be very uneducated indeed if they don't see the hitch in that strategy.

But I'm sure your Afghani friends will be delighted to learn what you think of their intelligence.
Amogles, many Afghans no longer attend school or they take part in a "religious" school. I've spoken to many who have only had 3-4 years of schooling and then went on to find work.
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They must be very uneducated indeed if they don't see the hitch in that strategy.

But I'm sure your Afghani friends will be delighted to learn what you think of their intelligence.
Uneducated is not the same as unintelligent, I know some highly educated people who are unintelligent and vice versa.
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Amogles, many Afghans no longer attend school or they take part in a "religious" school. I've spoken to many who have only had 3-4 years of schooling and then went on to find work.
Even if you go to a religious school and can't read or write, surely you can work out that if your family is in danger today there's no point in leaving them alone for five years in the vague hope that if they haven't been killed by then you can offer them a new home.
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Re: Refugees not being deported

30yo Afghan refugee in France well known to the Police raped a 12yo boy after following him from a bus stop.

In his defence he noted if he had been married with a wife this would have not happened.

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That would be the logical way but due to circumstances that we may never understand, quite often the family father does leave the family to find safety and a haven to bring his family to at a later time.
either that,

or they're having you on and laughing behind your back, wondering whether you genuinely believe they are as dumb as Marton make them out to be.

a much more likely explanation is that their families are not in danger at all but they're just chancing it.
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Even if you go to a religious school and can't read or write, surely you can work out that if your family is in danger today there's no point in leaving them alone for five years in the vague hope that if they haven't been killed by then you can offer them a new home.
Logically, you're correct but there are so many factors involved (threat of death, hope, money, etc...) that many family fathers do leave in hope of finding a future for their family.
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Old 04.07.2021, 17:24
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Uneducated is not the same as unintelligent, I know some highly educated people who are unintelligent and vice versa.
now you're digging deeper.

if they don't understand that leaving their family to be used as target practice for five years is not a good idea, is that a question of lacking intelligence or lacking education?
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either that,

or they're having you on and laughing behind your back, wondering whether you genuinely believe they are as dumb as Marton make them out to be.

a much more likely explanation is that their families are not in danger at all but they're just chancing it.
Amogles, I wish you could speak to some of these refugees and hear their soft voices describing their plight. They've got tears in their eyes and fear in their hearts for their loved ones left behind. Of course there are going to be some bad apples and it's unfair that refugees are generally younger men but those are the facts.

I had no idea how bad it was in Afghanistan until I started conversing with the refugees. It's heartbreaking.
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Even if you go to a religious school and can't read or write, surely you can work out that if your family is in danger today there's no point in leaving them alone for five years in the vague hope that if they haven't been killed by then you can offer them a new home.
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because maybe not every part of Afghanistan is embroiled in war?

I don't know what a war zone looks like in Marton's imagination, but it's probably a place where the postman comes every morning in an armoured van, doffs his cap and delivers the newspaper, and everybody mows the lawn wearing a bullet proof vest.

No Marton, when you're in the middle of a war you count yourself lucky every day that you're still alive. Sending daddy away to Austria to apply for asylum so that you can maybe follow him there in five years time or more is not a good strategy when the snipers are firing at you right now.
You have a weird idea of the war in Afghanistan, with a sniper on every corner.
According to the United Nations report the average annual civilian deaths per year over the last 20 years were 1,900 out of 38 million population.
So it is not a vague hope.
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Old 04.07.2021, 17:30
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Logically, you're correct but there are so many factors involved (threat of death, hope, money, etc...) that many family fathers do leave in hope of finding a future for their family.
Okay, let's think this through

You live in a house with your family. Every day snipers fire at your house. Every day people are killed, including members of your family.

But you get a death threat. We will kill you if you don't go away. But you'd better leave your family here because we need somebody to kill while you are gone.

Sure, that's a great arrangement. I'm buying my bus ticket right away. I'm very uneducated right. I can't think of any other option.

Sometimes I think the people who tell these stories must assume we are as dumb as we think they are.
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Amogles, I wish you could speak to some of these refugees and hear their soft voices describing their plight. They've got tears in their eyes and fear in their hearts for their loved ones left behind. Of course there are going to be some bad apples and it's unfair that refugees are generally younger men but those are the facts.

I had no idea how bad it was in Afghanistan until I started conversing with the refugees. It's heartbreaking.
Oh come on, surely Amogles sitting in his comfortable armchair in a safe country knows far more about Afghanistan than the people who actually lived there.
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Amogles, I wish you could speak to some of these refugees and hear their soft voices describing their plight. They've got tears in their eyes and fear in their hearts for their loved ones left behind. Of course there are going to be some bad apples and it's unfair that refugees are generally younger men but those are the facts.
Why don't you ask them, from me, why they left their families behind?
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