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Old 04.07.2021, 17:34
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Oh come on, surely Amogles sitting in his comfortable armchair in a safe country knows far more about Afghanistan than the people who actually lived there.
At least I don't pass judgment on their intelligence like marton does.
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Old 04.07.2021, 17:36
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There are a lot of upper class children from first world countries on this forum that have exactly the same feelings - hate it when others they deemed inferior make it, and I'm not even talking about asylum seekers.

What was it that you were trying to say here? I find your statements quite racist. Couldn't you make a point without making these assumptions not only about your opponent but presumably about whole other nationalities too? This theory was developed by DB sometime ago and frankly I thought it was silly (and provocative, but that was DB for you, the forum was a bit more peaceful after he left) because if this is the case, then all "upper classes" are like that.
Of all the posts in this thread is that the bit you find racist? I know you said you cant be bothered to read it all, but thats not an excuse to cherry pick the way you do.

I'll keep it simple: EF has changed over the last few years. We always had a fair amount of trolls and conflict. But by now do we have a gang of user who only show up here whenever there is a thread on Muslims, immigrants, refugees or gypsies. Not to have a decent discussion but to gang up on anyone with opposing views. The mod team has not exactly been helping... I've met some old time users since I returned in April who openly said that they cant be bothered on here anymore as it has become so bitter.

I dont want to bring up Mark, but there was a time where Mods actively told users to add value in the forum for what it is meant to be, not just to spread hate. We discussed this many times and there have been multiple user asking MC to just step down as a mod... I personally dont find your attitude much better. This thread is a great example with everything thats wrong with EF.
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Old 04.07.2021, 17:39
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Okay, let's think this through

You live in a house with your family. Every day snipers fire at your house. Every day people are killed, including members of your family.

But you get a death threat. We will kill you if you don't go away. But you'd better leave your family here because we need somebody to kill while you are gone.

Sure, that's a great arrangement. I'm buying my bus ticket right away. I'm very uneducated right. I can't think of any other option.

Sometimes I think the people who tell these stories must assume we are as dumb as we think they are.
Amogles, come on. You can't be this single-minded.

One young man had to leave within hours due to a death threat on his head. He couldn't read and was asked by someone to hand out a piece of literature for money. He was 14 years old and happy to do so.

That evening, his mother was called to meet the head of the local government/church. The son was condemned to be stoned to death for handing out the bible. The mother ran out, found her son and sent him away. He managed to make it to Switzerland but can never go back to his country again.

As you can see, there are many factors involved that just don't happen in the Western world.

Edit: Please read up on what's happening in Afghanistan right now. It's tragic: https://www.aljazeera.com/where/afghanistan/
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Old 04.07.2021, 17:42
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I dont want to bring up Mark, but there was a time where Mods actively told users to add value in the forum for what it is meant to be, not just to spread hate. We discussed this many times
I agree (but everyone knows that already.)
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Old 04.07.2021, 17:49
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Amogles, come on. You can't be this single-minded.

One young man had to leave within hours due to a death threat on his head. He couldn't read and was asked by someone to hand out a piece of literature for money. He was 14 years old and happy to do so.

That evening, his mother was called to meet the head of the local government/church. The son was condemned to be stoned to death for handing out the bible. The mother ran out, found her son and sent him away. He managed to make it to Switzerland but can never go back to his country again.

As you can see, there are many factors involved that just don't happen in the Western world.

Edit: Please read up on what's happening in Afghanistan right now. It's tragic: https://www.aljazeera.com/where/afghanistan/
So somebody set up a trap so the young man would have no choice but to go to Switzerland?

And he walks into the trap, unsuspectingly.

And who benefits from the result?

Who benefits from having him gone?

Nobody more than the young man himself.

And we're supposed to believe this stuff?

Sorry olygirl, but somebody must be laughing their ears off when your back is turned.
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Old 04.07.2021, 17:54
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Not to have a decent discussion but to gang up on anyone with opposing views.
The ganging up on people with opposing views has got much less know that certain mods have stepped down. And so has the bullying of certain mods.
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Old 04.07.2021, 18:04
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Sorry olygirl, but somebody must be laughing their ears off when your back is turned.
I'm sorry you've become so cynical. I won't waste my energy on trying to educate you on the reality of what some refugees go through. You've made up your mind already.
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Old 04.07.2021, 18:10
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I'm sorry you've become so cynical. I won't waste my energy on trying to educate you on the reality of what some refugees go through. You've made up your mind already.
Anyway, we don't come onto this forum to educate one another. That sounds rather patronising to me.

We come here to exchange points of view and discuss.
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Of all the posts in this thread is that the bit you find racist? I know you said you cant be bothered to read it all, but thats not an excuse to cherry pick the way you do.

I'll keep it simple: EF has changed over the last few years. We always had a fair amount of trolls and conflict. But by now do we have a gang of user who only show up here whenever there is a thread on Muslims, immigrants, refugees or gypsies. Not to have a decent discussion but to gang up on anyone with opposing views. The mod team has not exactly been helping... I've met some old time users since I returned in April who openly said that they cant be bothered on here anymore as it has become so bitter.

I dont want to bring up Mark, but there was a time where Mods actively told users to add value in the forum for what it is meant to be, not just to spread hate. We discussed this many times and there have been multiple user asking MC to just step down as a mod... I personally dont find your attitude much better. This thread is a great example with everything thats wrong with EF.
I am amazed you have the nerve to call anyone here racist......shame
Maybe review your own comment history......

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Old 04.07.2021, 18:16
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Anyway, we don't come onto this forum to educate one another. That sounds rather patronising to me.

We come here to exchange points of view and discuss.
I've been sharing my experiences and you've disregarded them with cynical, sweeping statements. I don't want to be patronising but I also don't want to waste my time with someone who's clearly not open to other views.

I've said it before, I really think you're more open-minded than your posts let on but maybe I'm just delusional.
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Amogles, if only it were that easy. Read up on what happens to women on their own in Afghanistan or those trying to flee without a chaperone. It's horrible, degrading and terribly risky.
Even less reason for the men to leave their families unprotected. Yet you're defending exactly that.
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The best way to protect your family is for the breadwinner to find a safe place, send money home, then set up a home in the new place and invite the family. I assume you do not have much contact with refugees?
Refugees rarely have a fulltime in-family breadwinner, they depend on government handouts, all too many (almost) exclusively and for their entire lives. Including young and healthy people, which is a disgusting abomination.
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Old 04.07.2021, 18:18
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Why don't you ask them, from me, why they left their families behind?
I am glad you finally agree that they do leave their families behind.

You have also agreed that refugees can send money back to their families in war zones so those are the two points I wanted to make.
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Old 04.07.2021, 18:21
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I am amazed you have the nerve to call anyone here racist......shame
Maybe review your own comment history......

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I find some of these posts quite conservative and borderline-racist as well but name-calling only leads to more name calling, which leads to false accusations, twisting of words, etc.

We're here to discuss so let's do our best to keep it engaging and respectful.
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Old 04.07.2021, 18:22
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I am glad you finally agree that they do leave their families behind.

You have also agreed that refugees can send money back to their families in war zones so those are the two points I wanted to make.
No, with an IQ of below 60 (attested by Marton) they are unable to even fill in the form to send any money home.

But seeing the family are just being used for target practice but not actually in any sort of danger (attested by Marton) , why do they need money?
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At least I don't pass judgment on their intelligence like marton does.
I did explain the difference between uneducated and unintelligent but sadly that was too complex a concept.
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Old 04.07.2021, 18:26
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I did explain the difference between uneducated and unintelligent but sadly that was too complex a concept.
You still haven't replied to my question.

If you don't understand that leaving your family to be shot at for five years is not a good idea, is that due to being uneducated or unintelligent?
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Old 04.07.2021, 18:29
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This thread is EF Groundhog day.
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I find some of these posts quite conservative and borderline-racist as well but name-calling only leads to more name calling, which leads to false accusations, twisting of words, etc.

We're here to discuss so let's do our best to keep it engaging and respectful.
With all due respect, I did not call anyone any names and have been only sharing my viewpoint.
When someone makes personal comments, then they MUST be called out.

You are very welcome to do so if someone did that to you.

I am calling out the person who made personal, insulting and racist remarks towards me.
I am detailing what was said for easy reference:

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As both my profile and introduction thread say am I German. Given your answer are you probably not European. You have the religious warrior feel of an American, but clearly neither the language skills nor the capability to use an online forum. So I guess you are an upper class child from a third world country who feels entitled to live here and hates it when other folks make it through asylum or else.
I am sure you can appreciate the distinction.

And for the record, this Gentleman has the nerve and audacity to call OTHERS racist!!!
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Old 04.07.2021, 18:56
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If you are pointing at Germany then
So government agency says government is doing great! Wow...
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photo I wanted to post was too big

But, the bottom line is : the west has 50-100 billions of military budget per year, they bomb countries, install governments, arm rebel forces then arm the against rebel rebel forces... bombs dropped, civilians living in terrible horrible conditions,worse and worse... but , those same western countries keep on doing it anyhow

then, refugees, which in case it's families running away it's something to expect and understand but in this case often isnt... then once they reach europe ,etc. it's on the taxpayer money all that cost on top of everything it does cause demographic problems, social.. and we end up fighting here while someone else is drinking their 5k champagne on their 55mil yacht ) greaaat
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