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Old 04.07.2021, 19:30
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photo I wanted to post was too big

But, the bottom line is : the west has 50-100 billions of military budget per year, they bomb countries, install governments, arm rebel forces then arm the against rebel rebel forces... bombs dropped, civilians living in terrible horrible conditions,worse and worse... but , those same western countries keep on doing it anyhow

then, refugees, which in case it's families running away it's something to expect and understand but in this case often isnt... then once they reach europe ,etc. it's on the taxpayer money all that cost on top of everything it does cause demographic problems, social.. and we end up fighting here while someone else is drinking their 5k champagne on their 55mil yacht ) greaaat
this basically.

do some crap, and when the shit hits the fan, do some even bigger crap so people don't notice.
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Old 04.07.2021, 19:45
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You still haven't replied to my question.

If you don't understand that leaving your family to be shot at for five years is not a good idea, is that due to being uneducated or unintelligent?
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Anyway, we don't come onto this forum to educate one another. That sounds rather patronising to me.

We come here to exchange points of view and discuss.
I agree we don't come onto this forum to educate one another.

So will you drop this now or do you prefer to keep stalking?
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Old 04.07.2021, 19:50
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I agree we don't come onto this forum to educate one another.

So will you drop this now or do you prefer to keep stalking?
I'm not seeking to educate you. I'm seeking a clarification on a point which is pivotal in understanding this issue.

Or if I misunderstood your intention in making such a disparaging remark about their intelligence or education, maybe you can clarify what it is that you meant.
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Old 04.07.2021, 19:58
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I'm not seeking to educate you. I'm seeking a clarification on a point which is pivotal in understanding this issue.

Or if I misunderstood your intention in making such a disparaging remark about their intelligence or education, maybe you can clarify what it is that you meant.
So you opted for stalking, no surprise
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Yeah, I feel differently. Most countries have not just a strict age of consent, but a clause where partners just slightly over the age wont get punished. As in a 16 year old with a 13 year old. I know it happened quite a bit in my high school. Not because the guys tried to seduce underage girls, but because 13 year olds really like to have an older boyfriend. Is that really unimaginable for you? What culture are you from?
Actually, making outright pedophilia legal was on open political agenda of a European mainstream party, in the eighties. Around the same time, just for the last 3 decades of the last century, in the same country, some homeless children were placed with pedophilic men as they were better foster parents. Well, it was called an experiment. In a neighbor country, Western European as well, a legal age of consent was only very recently (this spring) been introduced. It was preceded by high profile acquittal case and and a memoir of a family abuse case, but most likely the MeToo mindset forced the hands of the French legislators.

So, the Europeans aren't such a bunch of prudes as the Americans are, and are proud of it.

Edit: a case in point: Polanski's non extradition from Switzerland.
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Old 04.07.2021, 21:32
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Actually, making outright pedophilia legal was on open political agenda of a European mainstream party, in the eighties.
True. And many of the people who supported that were never expelled from the party.

They don't subject their own to the sort of witch hunt that they press onto others.

And now they are even going after another European country for being too tough on paedophiles.
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Old 04.07.2021, 21:37
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True. And many of the people who supported that were never expelled from the party.

They don't subject their own to the sort of witch hunt that they press onto others.

And now they are even going after another European country for being too tough on paedophiles.
Well if you look at what the Hungarian law change is REALLY about- i.e. making material promoting homosexuality/transexuality in state schools illegal - and the reaction to that law change - you notice that sexualising very young children is very much on the left's agenda.
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Old 04.07.2021, 21:41
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Well if you look at what the Hungarian law change is REALLY about- i.e. making material promoting homosexuality/transexuality in state schools illegal - and the reaction to that law change - you notice that sexualising very young children is very much on the left's agenda.
I find it difficult to fathom that people who are not teachers should be demanding the right to come into schools and discuss sexuality with young children.

Maybe not everybody who would want to do that is a paedophile, but it sounds like the sort of thing paedophiles would want to do.
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Actually, making outright pedophilia legal was on open political agenda of a European mainstream party, in the eighties. Around the same time, just for the last 3 decades of the last century, in the same country, some homeless children were placed with pedophilic men as they were better foster parents. Well, it was called an experiment. In a neighbor country, Western European as well, a legal age of consent was only very recently (this spring) been introduced. It was preceded by high profile acquittal case and and a memoir of a family abuse case, but most likely the MeToo mindset forced the hands of the French legislators.

So, the Europeans aren't such a bunch of prudes as the Americans are, and are proud of it.

Edit: a case in point: Polanski's non extradition from Switzerland.
That reminds me of the debate when Switzerland raised the minimum age of prostitutes from 16 to 18 in 2014.

(unless you are the customer, thats still legal from 16).
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parnell, I've followed that whole project and once you see how it's a text that has been done by the UN agencies and WHO then sent to different countries and suggested as a "health education curriculum" which is then voted in the parliament .. it has nothing to do with the 'leftist' . I know how usually the left would be pushing for such a reform and it's how it'll be done in most countries..But that's again part of the whole fake left/right system.

Text like this will be approved by the right (or if they're not the majority to vote they will not do much to oppose that)
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Old 05.07.2021, 12:22
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That reminds me of the debate when Switzerland raised the minimum age of prostitutes from 16 to 18 in 2014.

(unless you are the customer, thats still legal from 16).
Recently you were telling us its understandable for a 16 year old to drug and rape a 13 year old.

But then you think it's wrong that the same 16 year old should be allowed to have consensual sex with a prostitute?

It seems to me that your scale of wrongs may somehow be inverted.

Anyway, the German Green party were not defending sex with 16 year olds. They were talking about little kids. I find it pretty sick that anybody who voted yes to that motion should still have a place in politics at all. Let alone be lecturing other countries on sexual morality.
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Old 05.07.2021, 13:06
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parnell, I've followed that whole project and once you see how it's a text that has been done by the UN agencies and WHO then sent to different countries and suggested as a "health education curriculum" which is then voted in the parliament .. it has nothing to do with the 'leftist' . I know how usually the left would be pushing for such a reform and it's how it'll be done in most countries..But that's again part of the whole fake left/right system.

Text like this will be approved by the right (or if they're not the majority to vote they will not do much to oppose that)
In Ireland it's the greens and the hard left who are pushing it - but you're correct to a large extent - it's the NGOs also behind it - some of them involving known paedophiles.

There is no right party left in Ireland - either centre right or further out so there is no opposition but rumour has it that the next budget will be so calamatious that the current finance minister is seeking a job in the UN/World Bank etc. to hide from absurd policies that the last few governments have been responsible for.
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Old 06.07.2021, 18:39
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In Ireland it's the greens and the hard left who are pushing it - but you're correct to a large extent - it's the NGOs also behind it - some of them involving known paedophiles.

There is no right party left in Ireland - either centre right or further out so there is no opposition but rumour has it that the next budget will be so calamatious that the current finance minister is seeking a job in the UN/World Bank etc. to hide from absurd policies that the last few governments have been responsible for.
If you, for whatever reason, pick a topic like "pedophilia in Ireland" and your only thought is that its the greens and the political left... you are just disqualifying yourself. Its not exactly a secret that Ireland had for decades a major pedo problem and that it was in the catholic clergy covered by conservative politicians and officials... if anything might a more open attitude to discuss sexuality have helped to get a little more than 85 of the accused 1300 priests locked up. All the victims got was some peanuts and a letter from the pope.
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If you, for whatever reason, pick a topic like "pedophilia in Ireland" and your only thought is that its the greens and the political left... you are just disqualifying yourself. Its not exactly a secret that Ireland had for decades a major pedo problem and that it was in the catholic clergy covered by conservative politicians and officials... if anything might a more open attitude to discuss sexuality have helped to get a little more than 85 of the accused 1300 priests locked up. All the victims got was some peanuts and a letter from the pope.
so pedophilia is bad when priests do it but good when greens and lefties want to make it legal?
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so pedophilia is bad when priests do it but good when greens and lefties want to make it legal?
Yes, pedophilia is good. As Treverus said all along. And everybody to the left of you agrees.

Annoying populist bullshit.
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Yes, pedophilia is good. As Treverus said all along. And everybody to the left of you agrees.

Annoying populist bullshit.
I really wonder what it would take to get at least a short ban on EF these days... trolling doesn't get much more primitive than that.
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so pedophilia is bad when priests do it but good when greens and lefties want to make it legal?
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Yes, pedophilia is good. As Treverus said all along. And everybody to the left of you agrees.

Annoying populist bullshit.
"everybody to the left of you agrees" but that would be 99% of the population
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so pedophilia is bad when priests do it but good when greens and lefties want to make it legal?
Baiting and twisting words doesn't help create a good discussion. It's like you want to find a small weakness and use that as your base to attack instead of seeing the whole picture for an engaging discussion.

Imagine if someone saw a small mole on your face, barely noticeable, but told the whole world how messed up your face was. That's how this discussion feels.
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If you, for whatever reason, pick a topic like "pedophilia in Ireland" and your only thought is that its the greens and the political left... you are just disqualifying yourself.
Hardly my thought but those of many journalists related to the appointment of one Roderic O'Gorman from the green party and his relationship with Peter Tatchell :

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However, over the last number of years criticism of Tatchell has moved from his LGBT advocacy methods to focus primarily on his comments regarding adults having sex with children, his campaigns to lower the age of consent, and his links to individuals associated with a group called the Paedophile Information Exchange, or PIE.

PIE was an organisation set up in 1974 to advocate for the legalisation and normalisation of “intergenerational sex.” It is perhaps best known for its campaign to reduce the age of consent to four years old. It disbanded in the mid-1980s after many of its founding members were arrested on charges related to the sexual exploitation of children.
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Its not exactly a secret that Ireland had for decades a major pedo problem and that it was in the catholic clergy covered by conservative politicians and officials... if anything might a more open attitude to discuss sexuality have helped to get a little more than 85 of the accused 1300 priests locked up. All the victims got was some peanuts and a letter from the pope.
Now you've proven yourself ignorant on so many fronts let's add to that tally...
Whatever the problem with paedos in Ireland it had little to do with the willingness to discuss sexuality - one of my families' former neighbours - who was an alcoholic exposed himself many many moons ago to my Godmother when she was a child. My grandfather gave the gentleman such a thrashing that they moved house after he could walk again - people in old Ireland absolutely took any kind of sexual exposure to their children extremely seriously.

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