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Old 06.07.2021, 22:25
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Just to be clear: the bunch of adult men was a 16 year old and an 18 year old suspect. Both can be trialed as youth according to the law.
They also arrested a 23 year old and have a warrant out for a 22 year old. You seem to keep forgetting this inconvenient fact.
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Old 06.07.2021, 22:28
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The facts of the case were discussed and various aspects were analyzed. I don't see how deportation is preferential treatment and no one expected leniency due to the refugee status.
Actually you and many other spoke up for them purely on account of their refugee status.

I bet you wouldn't have even been on tis thread if the accused had been somebody else.
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Old 06.07.2021, 22:29
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They also arrested a 23 year old and have a warrant out for a 22 year old. You seem to keep forgetting this inconvenient fact.
We don't know if the 23 year old was directly involved with the rape and murder or was just the drug dealer living in the same flat.
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Old 06.07.2021, 22:31
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I read that article carefully and thought of this thread.

1) the 13 and 16 year old girls were inebriated to the point that the younger one was throwing up. They were in no condition to make wise choices and it wasn't clear how much they were flirting.

2) The 18 year old man saw the state the girls were in and took advantage of it. It's probable that the 16 year old girl wasn't forced to give a blow job but didn't know how to say no either. All this happened on a train platform in a glass booth. A passenger stumbled on to the scene which caused the young man to run away.

3) Because of the state the girls and the lack of a precise memory at that time, the young man got off scot free.

- Does it matter that the girls were stinking drunk?
- Does it matter that the man was an Afghan refugee?
- Was there a crime committed?
- Why was a 13 year old getting drunk in the first place?
- Is there a difference between rape and a "forced" blow job?

I don't have the answers but it's a sad situation that will affect both the girls and the young man forever.
I agree with your synopsis of the case - it's very very dodgy behavior and will doubtless scar the girl - also the reported facts that the defendant ran off when confronted and then denied any sex act took place would not lend one to believe he thought he had not broken the law. I'm surprised he was not charged with gross indecency as well.
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Old 06.07.2021, 22:31
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I bet you wouldn't have even been on tis thread if the accused had been somebody else.
That is too funny.
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Old 06.07.2021, 22:33
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No he didnt. He got a blowjob from a 16 year old. And thats totally legal.
I congratulate you for finding a mistake in one of my postings.

However, my overall argument still holds without that point.

Whereas your argument that the two cases are parallel is massively weakened by the 13-year old not being involved.

So what parallels remain between the two arguments? That the accused in an alleged sexual crime is Afghan. There is an whole edifice of legal parallels resting on that one point.
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Old 06.07.2021, 22:35
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We don't know if the 23 year old was directly involved with the rape and murder or was just the drug dealer living in the same flat.
We don't know that about the 16 year old either.

Yet you have repeatedly been trying to frame this as if he was the sole accused.
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Old 06.07.2021, 22:36
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I congratulate you for finding a mistake in one of my postings.

However, my overall argument still holds without that point.

Whereas your argument that the two cases are parallel is massively weakened by the 13-year old not being involved.

So what parallels remain between the two arguments? That the accused in an alleged sexual crime is Afghan. There is an whole edifice of legal parallels resting on that one point.
You're no longer making sense. I'd take a break and clear your head a bit.
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Old 06.07.2021, 22:37
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No he didnt. He got a blowjob from a 16 year old. And thats totally legal.
Really? In the waiting room of an SBB station?
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Old 06.07.2021, 22:38
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You're no longer making sense. I'd take a break and clear your head a bit.
So we are getting personal again?
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Old 06.07.2021, 22:40
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Re: Refugees not being deported

Regarding the murder of the 13 year old girl in Vienna, this is the most up-to-date article I've found so far. I hope the investigation will lead to DNA evidence and they'll find the culprits and punish them accordingly.

https://www.merkur.de/welt/wien-mord...-90834340.html
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Old 06.07.2021, 22:44
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I congratulate you for finding a mistake in one of my postings.
To be fair, Parnell was the first one to point out your mistake.
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Old 06.07.2021, 22:49
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The article Treverus referred to didn't actually mention a lynch mob.

But it's always good to imagine one for the dramatic effect.
You do not understand the context, again.
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Old 07.07.2021, 09:26
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You do not understand the context, again.
And you prefer personal attacks to discussing the topic

First itís the Afghanis who you allege are dumb and now itís me .

Spot a pattern somehow ?
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Old 07.07.2021, 10:46
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I am not sure is not a good enough argument if you are claiming there is an invisible lynch mob. Plenty of stuff in the papers actually about people with Swiss names doing stuff.
You seem to be really not getting it. The lynch mob another user brought up has names: Amogles, Parnell, Vushka, logo123,... got it? There is no actual lynch mob, it was a reference to YOUR behaviour on here.
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Old 07.07.2021, 10:55
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And you prefer personal attacks to discussing the topic

First itís the Afghanis who you allege are dumb and now itís me .

Spot a pattern somehow ?
Yes, I do spot a pattern.
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Re: Refugees not being deported

It would be really nice if 4-5 of you here , do an audio-video conf. and you debate, talk ,record it , then post it here so we evaluate your opinions .
Some of you are even saying the same thing it's just packed differently or it's got a twist to it.

PS except , marton and komso ..They're both in 3450 year while we're all stuck still in 2021
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Old 07.07.2021, 11:55
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You seem to be really not getting it. The lynch mob another user brought up has names: Amogles, Parnell, Vushka, logo123,... got it? There is no actual lynch mob, it was a reference to YOUR behaviour on here.
Really ? Take a look at the way a bunch piled into amogles - compare that to the far lighter treatment you got for accusing others of being inarticulate whilst being tremendously inarticulate.
Your characterisation of the incident involving the 16 year old and the 18 year old as being "a guy gets a blow job" is worthy of the Chinese communist party ministry of truth.
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Old 07.07.2021, 11:56
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You seem to be really not getting it. The lynch mob another user brought up has names: Amogles, Parnell, Vushka, logo123,... got it? There is no actual lynch mob, it was a reference to YOUR behaviour on here.
yes, try to bring in a bit of logic, show there is another side to the argument and point to the gaps in the arguments of Treverus & friends and you are a lynch mob.

If you can't win an argument just call people ugly names, innit?
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Old 07.07.2021, 12:08
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They also arrested a 23 year old and have a warrant out for a 22 year old. You seem to keep forgetting this inconvenient fact.
I did not forget it. You just ASSUME that they are arrested for rape and or murder. We do not know it and its nowhere even written that they are arrested as suspects for those crimes.
They might have assisted a crime, witnessed a crime and not reported it, been involved in the drug dealing or just getting arrested as witnesses as there is a high risk that they do a runner... all you do is assume things based on the way incomplete facts are presented to you in an article - clearly suggesting between the lines what you want to believe. Thats exactly my point.

And I am 100% sure that if they tabloids knew they are charged with a major crime they would have written it. So yes, I read something into the fact that information is missing.

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