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Old 07.07.2021, 13:35
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Re: Refugees not being deported

I had a look if the news write something different now:
https://www.salzburg24.at/news/oeste...iert-106251247

Long story short: the information comes from allegedly leaked police reports: the girl is now claimed to have died of an overdose. Not chocked to death anymore. The guys, two of which allegedly raped her panicked when she was unconscious. Tried to reanimate her and then dropped her on the street. Terrible crime? Yes. Murder? No.

The family of the girl is apparently examining legal options to sue the state for not following through with existing laws when it comes to the criminal one who could have easily legally been deported before.
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Old 07.07.2021, 13:38
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I had a look if the news write something different now:
https://www.salzburg24.at/news/oeste...iert-106251247

Long story short: the information comes from allegedly leaked police reports: the girl is now claimed to have died of an overdose. Not chocked to death anymore. The guys, two of which allegedly raped her panicked when she was unconscious. Tried to reanimate her and then dropped her on the street. Terrible crime? Yes. Murder? No.

The family of the girl is apparently examining legal options to sue the state for not following through with existing laws when it comes to the criminal one who could have easily legally been deported before.
Please stop spreading facts.
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Old 07.07.2021, 13:44
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Please stop spreading facts.
I very much doubt they are actual facts. I believe its the Austrian equivalent of 20 mins and would take this still with a huge disclaimer.
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Old 07.07.2021, 13:47
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I had a look if the news write something different now:
https://www.salzburg24.at/news/oeste...iert-106251247

Long story short: the information comes from allegedly leaked police reports: the girl is now claimed to have died of an overdose. Not chocked to death anymore. The guys, two of which allegedly raped her panicked when she was unconscious. Tried to reanimate her and then dropped her on the street. Terrible crime? Yes. Murder? No.

The family of the girl is apparently examining legal options to sue the state for not following through with existing laws when it comes to the criminal one who could have easily legally been deported before.
The eternal squeal of moving goalposts.

The article says

Mindestens zwei der drei Männer haben sie dem Ermittlungsstand zufolge vergewaltigt.

So the article now speaks of rape whereas the previous article suggests some form of consensual sex - which actually you went to great lengths to defend.

So I don't see how this twist in the narrative underpins your earlier claims.
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Old 07.07.2021, 14:21
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yes, try to bring in a bit of logic, show there is another side to the argument and point to the gaps in the arguments of Treverus & friends and you are a lynch mob.

If you can't win an argument just call people ugly names, innit?

you should know, everyone is antifa to you
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I had a look if the news write something different now:
https://www.salzburg24.at/news/oeste...iert-106251247

Long story short: the information comes from allegedly leaked police reports: the girl is now claimed to have died of an overdose. Not chocked to death anymore. The guys, two of which allegedly raped her panicked when she was unconscious. Tried to reanimate her and then dropped her on the street. Terrible crime? Yes. Murder? No.
Oh thank goodness, they only drugged and raped the 13 year old
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Old 07.07.2021, 15:42
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Oh thank goodness, they only drugged and raped the 13 year old
Allegedly. They are still not proven guilty. But thats a concept hard to swallow, isnt it? Fact is that a few days ago they were all murderers and now they are not. Thats the exact reason why the death penalty you were screaming for is wrong.
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Old 07.07.2021, 15:48
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Allegedly. They are still not proven guilty. But thats a concept hard to swallow, isnt it? Fact is that a few days ago they were all murderers and now they are not. Thats the exact reason why the death penalty you were screaming for is wrong.
Typically a death penalty is only put into effect after the trial and even then only after certain criteria are met and avenues of appeal exhausted.

Not just because somebody on the internet demands it.
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Typically a death penalty is only put into effect after the trial and even then only after certain criteria are met and avenues of appeal exhausted.

Not just because somebody on the internet demands it.
Well said.
I always love how people love to use VERY BROAD brushes while labelling others and then suddenly turn very balanced and circumspect......
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Old 07.07.2021, 16:15
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Well said.
I always love how people love to use VERY BROAD brushes while labelling others and then suddenly turn very balanced and circumspect......
Funny. The very first reply to the opening post was a demand for the death penalty. And I see your "thanks" underneath it.
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Old 07.07.2021, 16:27
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Funny. The very first reply to the opening post was a demand for the death penalty. And I see your "thanks" underneath it.
Olygirl also thanked it.

She has nevertheless been on the Treverus & friends side for most of this thread.

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Old 07.07.2021, 16:33
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Funny. The very first reply to the opening post was a demand for the death penalty. And I see your "thanks" underneath it.
Funny how people only see 'Thanks' and make cute comments.

If only they took a moment to read through the posts I have made on this thread.

Let me share what I have already said so there can be a more informed interjection the next time around:

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Actually not necessarily binary. Let me explain. But happy to be challenged.

From a moral point of view, I am outraged but I recognise personal values are just that so maybe others are fine with such young people engaging in sexual activity.

From a Legal point of view, the age of consent in Austria is 14 so there is very clear view on what is legal/ill-legal. And age of consent does not get over-ruled by 'she wanted it' simply because under-age people are not able to make informed choices ergo age of consent.

Btw, there is a huge point re. informed Consent which is a completely different discussion all together even if you are an adult (see legal trials of Bill Cosby, Harvey Weinstein as examples). Incase of under-age kids, it is pretty binary.

Racism is a very fine sword and erring on either side has consequences. And I say this having been a victim of it but not being defined by it.

And finally, the issue here is not of Refugees or Citizens.

In my book, anyone who sexually assaults and kills a child, deserves the death penalty. It is as simple as that. No exceptions.


I believe that we are all products of our respective cultures.
You can always transcend that by becoming aware of the conscious and unconscious behavioural mores that you have imbibed from childhood.
Denying the cultural difference is being silly and potentially very dangerous.
Defining that and being open about it is not being racist. It is being honest.

Everyone should be treated with respect and fairness. But that extends both ways.

I have no issues if people disagree with my point of view. Thats fine.
We are all fundamentally biased one way or another.

I hope the mother who has lost her child finds closure and Peace.
Peace Out.
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Old 07.07.2021, 16:40
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Olygirl also thanked it.

She has nevertheless been on the Treverus & friends side for most of this thread.
If she did, that is equally idiotic.

But this is exactly the mob reaction I meant. Some half-proven accusations, ideally against an unpopular minority, an innocent victim (white girl ideally) and people are screaming for blood. And then the smarter of the populists (like you) show up, attack the persons who question the quick condemnation and de facto accuse them of supporting child molesters.

The script of all the neo-right movements in Europe.
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Old 07.07.2021, 16:48
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If she did, that is equally idiotic.

But this is exactly the mob reaction I meant. Some half-proven accusations, ideally against an unpopular minority, an innocent victim (white girl ideally) and people are screaming for blood. And then the smarter of the populists (like you) show up, attack the persons who question the quick condemnation and de facto accuse them of supporting child molesters.
Several people on this thread did speak up for child molester and justified child molestation quite strongly. And they repeated their statements repeatedly even when challenged. So it's not as if it was all a massive brainfart and their fingers had typed faster than their brains and now they are being unfairly called out for something that was planted on them.

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The script of all the neo-right movements in Europe.
I love the hyperbole. Name calling always helps when you run out of arguments.

And as a last resort, groans.
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Old 07.07.2021, 16:57
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I love the hyperbole. Name calling always helps when you run out of arguments.

And as a last resort, groans.
Looks like you were running out of arguments a lot lately. And even more last resorts...
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Old 07.07.2021, 17:17
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Mod hat on:

Can we get back on topic with less ad hominem please?

Thanks all!
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Olygirl also thanked it.

She has nevertheless been on the Treverus & friends side for most of this thread.

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Allegedly. They are still not proven guilty. But thats a concept hard to swallow, isnt it? Fact is that a few days ago they were all murderers and now they are not. Thats the exact reason why the death penalty you were screaming for is wrong.
I never screamed for the death penalty, I suggested offshore asylum processing.

I think, for most people, the fact that this group took a 13 year old girl into an apartment, gave her illegal drugs and sexually abused her is shocking enough.
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Old 07.07.2021, 21:03
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Very difficult to know what to make of this, so many of those people think I am uncaring & very right wing.
I thanked Chuff for the second part of his text. I'm generally not for the death sentence but there are cases where I wish the assailant would have commited suicide as in the case of Norway's mass shooting.

If posters are going to dissect my thanks, then I'm going to take that as a compliment or see it as proof that posters are running out of arguments.

By the way, please define offshore asylum processing. I seriously don't understand the terminology.
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I did not forget it. You just ASSUME that they are arrested for rape and or murder. We do not know it and its nowhere even written that they are arrested as suspects for those crimes.
They might have assisted a crime, witnessed a crime and not reported it, been involved in the drug dealing or just getting arrested as witnesses as there is a high risk that they do a runner... all you do is assume things based on the way incomplete facts are presented to you in an article - clearly suggesting between the lines what you want to believe. Thats exactly my point.

And I am 100% sure that if they tabloids knew they are charged with a major crime they would have written it. So yes, I read something into the fact that information is missing.
Treverus you're German, and presumably a native German speaker. There's simply no way for you to misunderstand "Tatverdächtiger" (suspect), a term used by e.g. orf.at on all four. Obviously that's not the same as "Angeklagter" (accused), the prosecution have barely begun their work. The definitive obduction report alone for example is expected to take 2-3 months.
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