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I did not forget it. You just ASSUME that they are arrested for rape and or murder. We do not know it and its nowhere even written that they are arrested as suspects for those crimes.
They might have assisted a crime, witnessed a crime and not reported it, been involved in the drug dealing or just getting arrested as witnesses as there is a high risk that they do a runner... all you do is assume things based on the way incomplete facts are presented to you in an article - clearly suggesting between the lines what you want to believe. Thats exactly my point.

And I am 100% sure that if they tabloids knew they are charged with a major crime they would have written it. So yes, I read something into the fact that information is missing.
Treverus you're German, and presumably a native German speaker. There's simply no way for you to misunderstand "Tatverdächtiger" (suspect), a term used by e.g. orf.at on all four. Obviously that's not the same as "Angeklagter" (accused), the prosecution have barely begun their work. The definitive obduction report alone for example is expected to take 2-3 months.
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Old 07.07.2021, 21:57
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I never screamed for the death penalty, I suggested offshore asylum processing.

I think, for most people, the fact that this group took a 13 year old girl into an apartment, gave her illegal drugs and sexually abused her is shocking enough.
And I didn’t thank the death penalty post or clamor for deportation because I don’t have a strong enough opinion either way .

On this thread I mostly spoke up against those who were arguing the accused should be let off lightly because of their ethnicity . Or that child abuse is somehow OK. And I called out some clearly racist statements .

An opinion that got me branded as a lynch mob .

But yeah , that’s a risk you run when you argue against Treverus

But then he’s the one who claims I’m the extremist

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Old 07.07.2021, 22:14
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And I didn’t thank the death penalty post or clamor for deportation because I don’t have a strong enough opinion either way .

On this thread I mostly spoke up against those who were arguing the accused should be let off lightly because of their ethnicity . Or that child abuse is somehow OK. And I called out some clearly racist statements .

An opinion that got me branded as a lynch mob .

But yeah , that’s a risk you run when you argue against Treverus

But then he’s the one who claims I’m the extremist

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Poor you. I don't think we are getting anywhere here. Have a good evening.
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Re: Refugees not being deported

To bring things back on track we have the case of a 54 year old stabbed to death in the canteen by a 24 year old failed Afghan asylum seeker one day before the Wurzburg murders. What makes the case additionally interesting is that the nationalities and background of both victim and perp were suppressed by the Ulm public prosecutor. So how do we know about this ? Well the victim just happens to be Turkish and the details were published in a Turkish newspaper and picked up.

The article mentions that this is not the first time the Ulm prosecutor has suppressed "details" :
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for raping a 14-year-old ten times in October 2019. A first press release on November 12, 2019 spoke of five asylum seekers between the ages of 14 and 26.

In the course of the reporting, however, the Ulm public prosecutor did not want to say anything about possible previous convictions of the asylum seekers, as the Focus reported. There was also no more detailed information about the house searches of the suspects - “for victim and youth protection reasons”. The court later sentenced three defendants for rape and one for aiding and abetting rape.
EDIT: I guess Turkish lives used to matter but not anymore...
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Old 07.07.2021, 23:14
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Poor you. I don't think we are getting anywhere here. Have a good evening.
If with we you mean yourself , Treverus and friends , you’re spot on .

Most of us saw that many pages ago but congratulations for finally getting there
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Old 08.07.2021, 00:00
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If with we you mean yourself , Treverus and friends , you’re spot on .

Most of us saw that many pages ago but congratulations for finally getting there
"many pages ago" but nevertheless you continued posting
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The problem with deportation is that those sick bast*ds are still free and can continue their heinous crimes until they finally land in jail or are killed.
Not if they have a accident on the way , like the doore opens and he falls out, argentine are good at it
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Reject quotas as absurd. I would also argue that the economic incentive should be effectively zero - which means that receiving countries provide subsistence and nothing more - the point of the convention is to provide refuge - not a living wage.


Why are V4s being shamed ? Because Merkel and her cronies know they ed up but are using every apparatus of the state to hide that fact. Consider the German football team and their recent match - 3 women were stabbed to death with a further 5 in hospital because of a Somalian "refugee" let in/escorted by their current chancellor - what was their gesture before the match ? A minute's silence for the victims ? No - it was to take the knee - in deference to a racist Marxist movement.


Here's the England football team making a similar political statement in 1935 - to give you some idea as to how insidious such gestures should be viewed:
Ah they playing the game "Where is the ball"
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Very difficult to know what to make of this, so many of those people think I am uncaring & very right wing.
No. You are neo-liberal and at times a bit of a dick in discussions ( ...but those two go together quite regularly). The folks on this thread are quite far away from liberal... Nazi salutes and demands for death penalties are pretty sure giveaways.
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Re: Refugees not being deported

Lots of finger-pointing, word twisting and aggressiveness on this thread. I suspect something else is a driving force here:

Taken from an article about online arguing.

Mc Mahon suspects that a desire to convince isn’t what drives many people to argue in the first place. Many argue because it’s fun. He compares it to gladiatorial combat.

https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/t...line-1.2295986

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No. You are neo-liberal and at times a bit of a dick in discussions ( ...but those two go together quite regularly). The folks on this thread are quite far away from liberal... Nazi salutes and demands for death penalties are pretty sure giveaways.
If being liberal means making excuses for child grooming and playing down atrocious behaviour based on someone's nationality then I want nothing to do with it!
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No. You are neo-liberal and at times a bit of a dick in discussions ( ...but those two go together quite regularly).

Here we go again.

Resorting to insulting others.


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The folks on this thread are quite far away from liberal... Nazi salutes and demands for death penalties are pretty sure giveaways.
The nazi salutes were shown as a negative example.

The racist stuff on this thread came entirely from your friends.
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the girl is now claimed to have died of an overdose. Not chocked to death anymore. The guys, two of which allegedly raped her panicked when she was unconscious. Tried to reanimate her and then dropped her on the street. Terrible crime? Yes. Murder? No.
Murder, yes.

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Old 08.07.2021, 10:15
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Lots of finger-pointing, word twisting and aggressiveness on this thread. I suspect something else is a driving force here:

Taken from an article about online arguing.

Mc Mahon suspects that a desire to convince isn’t what drives many people to argue in the first place. Many argue because it’s fun. He compares it to gladiatorial combat.

https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/t...line-1.2295986

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No it isn't.

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Lots of finger-pointing, word twisting and aggressiveness on this thread. I suspect something else is a driving force here:

Taken from an article about online arguing.

Mc Mahon suspects that a desire to convince isn’t what drives many people to argue in the first place. Many argue because it’s fun. He compares it to gladiatorial combat.

https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/t...line-1.2295986

Amogles, the gladiator.
If you lose an argument in this dimension you can psycho-analyze the people you dislike, which is the same as winning the argument in another dimension?
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Re: Refugees not being deported

When the facts of the case change, could posters please upload the link? I'm having problems finding articles that are updating the case. This is the only one I've found (uploaded 7.7.2021)

https://www.focus.de/politik/ausland..._13453687.html

It basically restates the case, offers other theories but no hard-proof evidence on what really went on except that the girl died from cardiac arrest as a result of multiple rapes. They found ecstasy in her body, which may have led to her be initially more compliant.

Nach ersten Ermittlungen ist die 13-Jährige freiwillig in die Wohnung des 18-jährigen Tatverdächtigen mitgegangen. Was sich danach abspielte, ist im Detail noch unklar. Klar ist aber, dass die 13-Jährige vor ihrem gewaltsamen Tod unter Drogen gesetzt wurde. Laut der Polizei sei Ecstasy im Spiel gewesen, um sie gefügig zu machen.

Wie die österreichische "Krone" aus den Akten zitiert, soll das Mädchen in Folge der Vergewaltigungen einen Herzstillstand erlitten haben. Die mutmaßlichen Täter sollen ihr daraufhin "Flüssigkeit eingeflößt" (Zitat "Krone") und sie unter die Dusche gehalten. Als sie sich nicht regte, sollen die Verdächtigen sie in einem Teppich auf die Straße gelegt haben. Dann tat der 16-jährige Verdächtige laut Polizeibericht so, als hätte er das Mädchen in dem Teppich gerade erst entdeckt. Die Polizei konnte dies schnell wiederlegen.


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According to initial investigations, the 13-year-old voluntarily went along to the apartment of the 18-year-old suspect. What happened afterwards is still unclear in detail. However, it is clear that the 13-year-old was drugged before her violent death. According to the police, ecstasy was used to make her compliant.

As the Austrian "Krone" quotes from the files, the girl is said to have suffered cardiac arrest as a result of the rapes. The alleged perpetrators then allegedly "poured liquid into her" (quote "Krone") and held her under the shower. When she did not move, the suspects allegedly laid her in a rug on the street. Then, according to the police report, the 16-year-old suspect acted as if he had just discovered the girl in the carpet. Police were quickly able to refute this.

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Some more wood for the fire. Acid attack!

Anyone who is a guest in the country and commits a violent crime needs to be dealt with severely! I don't care about their colour or religion! Nip this crap in the bud!
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Murder, yes.

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Its probably not even manslaughter. "Negligent homicide" is punished in Austria with up to ONE year of prison.
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Some more wood for the fire. Acid attack!

Anyone who is a guest in the country and commits a violent crime needs to be dealt with severely! I don't care about their colour or religion! Nip this crap in the bud!
It would be nice if all crime was committed by "guests" and we could protect ourselves from all crime by sending all these guests home but sadly that would hardly reduce crime at all.
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When the facts of the case change, could posters please upload the link? I'm having problems finding articles that are updating the case. This is the only one I've found (uploaded 7.7.2021)

https://www.focus.de/politik/ausland..._13453687.html

It basically restates the case, offers other theories but no hard-proof evidence on what really went on except that the girl died from cardiac arrest as a result of multiple rapes. They found ecstasy in her body, which may have led to her be initially more compliant.

Nach ersten Ermittlungen ist die 13-Jährige freiwillig in die Wohnung des 18-jährigen Tatverdächtigen mitgegangen. Was sich danach abspielte, ist im Detail noch unklar. Klar ist aber, dass die 13-Jährige vor ihrem gewaltsamen Tod unter Drogen gesetzt wurde. Laut der Polizei sei Ecstasy im Spiel gewesen, um sie gefügig zu machen.

Wie die österreichische "Krone" aus den Akten zitiert, soll das Mädchen in Folge der Vergewaltigungen einen Herzstillstand erlitten haben. Die mutmaßlichen Täter sollen ihr daraufhin "Flüssigkeit eingeflößt" (Zitat "Krone") und sie unter die Dusche gehalten. Als sie sich nicht regte, sollen die Verdächtigen sie in einem Teppich auf die Straße gelegt haben. Dann tat der 16-jährige Verdächtige laut Polizeibericht so, als hätte er das Mädchen in dem Teppich gerade erst entdeckt. Die Polizei konnte dies schnell wiederlegen.


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According to initial investigations, the 13-year-old voluntarily went along to the apartment of the 18-year-old suspect. What happened afterwards is still unclear in detail. However, it is clear that the 13-year-old was drugged before her violent death. According to the police, ecstasy was used to make her compliant.

As the Austrian "Krone" quotes from the files, the girl is said to have suffered cardiac arrest as a result of the rapes. The alleged perpetrators then allegedly "poured liquid into her" (quote "Krone") and held her under the shower. When she did not move, the suspects allegedly laid her in a rug on the street. Then, according to the police report, the 16-year-old suspect acted as if he had just discovered the girl in the carpet. Police were quickly able to refute this.

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The focus article seems to aggregate several Austrian news sources into one story. Unfortunately are the stories conflicting each other, so the mergerd result is not very clear and pretty surely wrong. One new aspect it adds is that the 16 year old claims
- to be the boyfriend of the girl.
- to have been drugged by the other two as well... so they could have their way with the girl


All of that sounds like wild speculation, especially given the news sources like Kronenzeitung.
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