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Since we're throwing all kinds of sensational cases into the pot, let me give you Josef Fritzl, Austria's worst father of all time. Can't blame any foreigners or Germany for that heinous crime.
Well.....in the spirit of that....Adam would like to say something.....
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Old 02.07.2021, 15:33
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Since we're throwing all kinds of sensational cases into the pot, let me give you Josef Fritzl, Austria's worst father of all time. Can't blame any foreigners or Germany for that heinous crime.

His mother was a prisoner of the Nazis, being accused of having attacked a policeman. She was held in Mauthuasen concentration camp for several months. Fritzl was 10 years old at the time. So you could argue the Nazis were responsible for the trauma in his life.
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Old 02.07.2021, 15:38
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However, I would prefer there to be a strict rule of certain crimes resulting in immediate deportation if it is proven beyond doubt that the person committed them.
Personally, I would prefer that criminals are only punished for all crimes when it is proven beyond reasonable doubt, whether that punishment is a fine, community service, prison or deportation.

In a civilised society, there cannot be a burden of super proof for certain crimes that you find heinous. You are either guilty of a crime or you or not guilty (with a special nod to the Scottish notion of not proven).
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I hope they finally start to take a more realistic approach to this problem.
What problem? Are most crimes in Austria commited by asylum seekers or immigrants? Are most heinous crimes in Austria commited by asylum seekres or immigrants?

These scum will be given a hefty sentence. The fact that they're (wannabe) immigrants is largely irrelevant. Maybe they'll reflect on the what would have happened if they'd done this where they were born. Thankfully, we in the west are more civilised.

On another note, an asylum seeking friend of mine was denied asylum after just over five years. But he's been granted a B-permit on compassionate grounds and the fact that he's very well integrated. I think perhaps that not all immigrants are a problem. Oh - and I'm an immigrant too, being British.
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Old 02.07.2021, 15:46
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I dont want to respond to some of the things you have said but I will say this.

I don't know in which society having sex with a 13 year old kid is considered 'pretty normal'.....in most countries that is statutory rape....and rightly so...but maybe you think differently
Yeah, I feel differently. Most countries have not just a strict age of consent, but a clause where partners just slightly over the age wont get punished. As in a 16 year old with a 13 year old. I know it happened quite a bit in my high school. Not because the guys tried to seduce underage girls, but because 13 year olds really like to have an older boyfriend. Is that really unimaginable for you? What culture are you from?
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An idea which had been proposed years ago on this forum (and others no doubt) to howls of derision from the leftists
I'm by no means left wing, and I don't think I've ever wrung my hands wailing "won't someone think of the children". But I consider the Danish and UK proposal (and what Australia has one) to be inhumane. I understand that it's easy to categorise anyone who thinks differently from you as a liberal lefty. In the same way it's easy for you to categorise anyone who's not here legally as a dangerous criminal.

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Genuine refugees yes. Please provide your 100% accurate method of determining "genuine refugees" from economic migrants.
That's what the immigration process is about. Determining which is which. And that means, and I know you hate this, treating the applicants with a modicum of decency and car. But it's ok. I understand what you intended to say - it's the economic migrants who are nearly all rapists and murders. Got you.

The risk from asylum seekers/migrants/refugees is, quantitively, very small. But the xenophobes and the popularist politicians who pander to them gotta have a scapegoat.
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Old 02.07.2021, 15:51
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So what is wrong with being an economic migrant?
If you're claiming asylum - fraud for one. I'd have thought this much obvious.
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Re: Refugees not being deported

The thing that I find so odd about any generalisations about rape, is that most people I've ever spoken to or listened to, on the topic, find rape abhorrent. It is just too much over-simplified to reduce it to: if refugee/asylum-seeker, then probably rapist. And too many people who sweepinly generalise along those lines seem not to have actually ever spoken much to many representatives of the group about which they're making the generalisation.

Many people still think that a victim can be female only, but slowly more male rape victims have come out and told their story, too. Likewise, many think that the perpetrators can be only male, but there, too, victims of rape by females are also starting to speak up.

In particular where the instrument of rape is the penis, frankly, most men just could not ever, ever think of their own genitals that way, it just wouldn't work, they just couldn't do such a deed, ever! This is what I have heard and read, over and over and over again from men in general, and from the men and women who know and respect them.

Only those at one weird end of the scale believe that they can do whatever they like, including rape, and that it matters not what their victim thinks or feels about it. Such people are criminal and pathological. Some of them later show remorse (some of which is genuine) but sometimes only as crocodile tears to try to avoid a more serious punishment, and to the same end, some try to demonstrate that the act of rape was consensual sex, or that they could have had reason to assume it to be so.

The scariest of perpetrators will state, openly and frankly, when questioned by the police, or in Court or prison, that they did not stop, even when the victim showed no pleasure, or froze, or begged them to stop, or screamed, and the reason they did not stop was because they were simply doing what they wanted.

Some such terrifying people are Swiss, some Austrian, some Afghani, some Chinese, some Canadian, some Greek, some Thai, some British, some Brazilian, and so on.

Still, it is worth remembering that the vast majority of people of all categories, all over the world, would not and could not, ever, commit a rape.
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If you're claiming asylum - fraud for one. I'd have thought this much obvious.
You are here to work, I presume. You're Irish. You're an economic migrant. And, as everyone in the UK knew back in 1960s and 1970s, clearly a murdering, raping terrorist.
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Yeah, I feel differently. Most countries have not just a strict age of consent, but a clause where partners just slightly over the age wont get punished. As in a 16 year old with a 13 year old. I know it happened quite a bit in my high school. Not because the guys tried to seduce underage girls, but because 13 year olds really like to have an older boyfriend. Is that really unimaginable for you? What culture are you from?
A culture which has a very informed view on consent and recognises that children should be treated as children...and consent exists for a reason....now....WHICH culture are you from?
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Old 02.07.2021, 16:11
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I understand what you intended to say - it's the economic migrants who are nearly all rapists and murders. Got you.
Your ability to understand is sadly lacking. If you wanted to insult me I'd prefer you do so openly.
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A culture which has a very informed view on consent and recognises that children should be treated as children...and consent exists for a reason....now....WHICH culture are you from?
I grew up in Holland. Sex education stars very young. There was once a parents-visit-classroom day. There was a very young woman in the back and we all wondered whose sister she was. Until one girl told us that's her mom. She was 26, we were 12. So hey...

What I find distressing in this whole thread is this subconscious discrimination towards certain nationalities or refugees. Treverus nor Olygirl ever said rape-murder is okay, or that the criminals should not be punished.

Like Olygirl posted earlier of another horrific crime by that father, I can list several rape/murder crimes in Okinawa Japan of 6 and 12 year old girls by American soldiers. If I had started a post on that, would anyone have condemned all Americans....or all American military men? No, people would have pointed out what horrendous INDIVIDUALS those criminals were.

And yes, the way media report has an influence. The first thing that came to my mind when I had read this article was also "why are they using a photo of this girl when she was much younger?". Because it is human nature that it triggers more anger when a crime is being done unto a young child.
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What I find distressing in this whole thread is this subconscious discrimination towards certain nationalities or refugees.
You can detect subconscious discrimination ??



Sweden took in more "refugees" than anyone else - now most convicted rapists are foreign born and 85% of stranger rapists being also foreign born.



This is by no means an exception - the statistics on rates of criminality for Switzerland being very clear on certain countries recording massively disproportionate rates.


I and I'm sure most people on this thread have nothing against any nationality but equally are infuriated by the cries of racism when people want to use statistics to inform decisions that affect them , their society and their children.
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You can detect subconscious discrimination ??

I and I'm sure most people on this thread have nothing against any nationality but equally are infuriated by the cries of racism when people want to use statistics to inform decisions that affect them , their society and their children.
I say "subconscious" because most people wouldn't ever think they could deep down slightly be racist.
Infuriated by the cries of racism? You clearly have not been on the side to experience horrible racism (which I am happy for you) to be able to make such statement.
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What problem? Are most crimes in Austria commited by asylum seekers or immigrants? Are most heinous crimes in Austria commited by asylum seekres or immigrants?

These scum will be given a hefty sentence. The fact that they're (wannabe) immigrants is largely irrelevant. Maybe they'll reflect on the what would have happened if they'd done this where they were born. Thankfully, we in the west are more civilised.
The problem is rejected asylum seekers committing crimes and not being deported.

I'm not the only person who find it outrageous that people like this are allowed to stay in the country after having repeatedly breaking the law. That’s exactly what the victims mum is now asking.
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I say "subconscious" because most people wouldn't ever think they could deep down slightly be racist.
Infuriated by the cries of racism? You clearly have not been on the side to experience horrible racism (which I am happy for you) to be able to make such statement.
You're very quick to jump to accusations.


I was as a 17 year old visitor to London interrogated by the Met in Heathrow many many moons ago - now it might have been "racism" (which is silly cos the English and the Irish are a different culture not a different race) and it might have been the PC having a bad day and some arseholes who call themselves Irish murdering and bombing - I certainly never held it against her or the English in general.
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I was as a 17 year old visitor to London interrogated by the Met in Heathrow many many moons ago - now it might have been "racism" (which is silly cos the English and the Irish are a different culture not a different race) and it might have been the PC having a bad day and some arseholes who call themselves Irish murdering and bombing - I certainly never held it against her or the English in general.
Exactly. You're describing it yourself. What you experienced was not racism.
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You're very quick to jump to accusations.


I was as a 17 year old visitor to London interrogated by the Met in Heathrow many many moons ago - now it might have been "racism" (which is silly cos the English and the Irish are a different culture not a different race) and it might have been the PC having a bad day and some arseholes who call themselves Irish murdering and bombing - I certainly never held it against her or the English in general.
You don't even have to be non English for that sort of thing.

It must have been one of my first ever trips abroad by myself as a teenager that I arrived back home as a foot passenger in the hoverport at Dover, maybe somewhat high spirited and unshaven. A red-in-the-face balding and somewhat overweight customers officer with sweaty patches all over his shirt took me aside and searched through my bag, not leaving the tiniest thing unturned and shouting "what's this" at every tiny thing and finally asking "are you brining any weapons" ... "or pornography?".

It was my first unfriendly encounter with any officer of the law and I was scared shit.
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His mother was a prisoner of the Nazis, being accused of having attacked a policeman. She was held in Mauthuasen concentration camp for several months. Fritzl was 10 years old at the time. So you could argue the Nazis were responsible for the trauma in his life.
Ridiculous.
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