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Old 03.07.2021, 12:08
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It is dangerous and possibly racist to speak ill of certain groups but certainly not of individuals.
Have you considered that it is also possibly racist to speak up for somebody purely because of their race?

As I said previously, I don't think we would have seen this level of speaking up had the suspects been Austrians.

We have seen many people on this thread falling over one another to relativize and find some level of justification purely because of the race of the suspects. And anybody who criticized that was called a racist.

Now I'm sure that wasn't intentional or malevolent, but does it not reflect a certain level of insecurity if not blindness?
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Old 03.07.2021, 12:12
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Have you considered that it is also possibly racist to speak up for somebody purely because of their race?
Could you explain how that is racist?


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As I said previously, I don't think we would have seen this level of speaking up had the suspects been Austrians.
We wouldn't have this thread if they had been Austrians.
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Old 03.07.2021, 12:16
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Could you explain how that is racist?
If you speak up for an Afghan if he is accused of something, but don' speak up for an Austrian who is accused of exactly the same. Is that not racist?

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We wouldn't have this thread if they had been Austrians.
My point exactly. Are Austrian rapists less worthy of being defended that Afghan rapists? All of Treverus' arguments which you so gladly liked would also apply to Austrian rapists.
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Old 03.07.2021, 12:22
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If you speak up for an Afghan if he is accused of something, but don' speak up for an Austrian who is accused of exactly the same. Is that not racist?
That would be racist but it would also be illegal not to investigate the factors that led up to the crime... no matter where the person comes from.

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My point exactly. Are Austrian rapists less worthy of being defended that Afghan rapists?
Again, the issue here is "refugees not being deported", which does not apply to Austrians living in Austria.
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Old 03.07.2021, 12:29
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That would be racist but it would also be illegal not to investigate the factors that led up to the crime... no matter where the person comes from.
So why then insist that they be especially investigated for Afghans?

I'm sure every rapist has some sort of soppy sob story to defend himself.

And I'm sure court judges have heard and seem them all.

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Again, the issue here is "refugees not being deported", which does not apply to Austrians living in Austria.
No, it's not. Yo only just made that the topic because you're trying to move the goalpost, seeing you've maneuvered yourself into an indefensible corner.

You thanked all those posts by Treverus telling us how this or that form of non consensual sex is normal rather than telling him to shut up and get back onto the topic of deportations.
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Old 03.07.2021, 12:36
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No, it's not. Yo only just made that the topic because you're trying to move the goalpost, seeing you've maneuvered yourself into an indefensible corner.

You thanked all those posts by Treverus telling us how this or that form of non consensual sex is normal rather than telling him to shut up and get back onto the topic of deportations.
That's how you read his posts. I read them differently.

How can you say the topic is different when the title and the article are specifically about refugees not being deported? It makes no sense. It's like you're ignoring the facts to push your agenda, and I've always considered you more intelligent than that.
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Old 03.07.2021, 12:51
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It's like you're ignoring the facts to push your agenda, and I've always considered you more intelligent than that.
What agenda do i have?

What facts am I ignoring?
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Old 03.07.2021, 13:07
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That's how you read his posts. I read them differently.
I think you are the only one olygirl that reads them differently.

I still can not believe somebody actually wrote here that providing drugs to 13yo girl is a non issue because she wanted them anyway.

Next he'll be telling us her skirt was way too short...
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What agenda do i have?
It seems as if you're saying through all your arguments that it's OK to be racist and refugees cause problems.

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What facts am I ignoring?
1. Again, this thread is about refugees being deported.
2. Everyone agrees what those men did was horrible and should be punished.
3. No one is defending the murderers.
4. There are other factors involved including:
- The girl was involved with drugs and the wrong friends but the mother had no idea even though the daughter often didn't come home.
- Drugs were involved
- These men have committed previous crimes

For me, the question is should these refugees rot in jail in Austria or be deported back to Afghanistan.
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Old 03.07.2021, 13:11
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Next he'll be telling us her skirt was way too short...
Again, you're making assumptions that are not true. It's hard to take you seriously when you continue to provoke and twist words instead of engaging respectfully in a serious discussion.
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Again, you're making assumptions that are not true. It's hard to take you seriously when you continue to provoke and twist words instead of engaging respectfully in a serious discussion.
I am not making assumptions nor am I twisting anybody's words.

This is a post that you thanked as helpful. I let you read it again and tell me how can I read it differently

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The article says at the same time that the girl knew the boys, volunteerly hang out with them... and then suddenly claims that she was "drugged" by them. It surely seems that she wanted the drugs... neighbours say in the article "there was always girls hanging out with them". Same with the sexual assault. We dont actually know that it was an assault, do we?
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In the article, I don't recall any statement clarifying that issue.
The 16yr old's application is still being processed, the 18yr's has been denied but he appealed.

There will also be a difference in treatment due to their age, the older has reached full legal age, and in addition to his age the 16yr old has a clean criminal record speaking for him. The two additional suspects prosecution became aware of only later on are 22 and 23 years old.
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No such thing as race. There is no genetic concept of race. It's all culture really.
You should tell the animal breeders (dogs, cats, cows, sheep, etc, probably pretty much every animal we use, even goats), and that their efforts are nothing but a figment of their imagination.

In fact nothing of that sort, not even the sexes, can have existed before the DNA was discovered, according to that logic.

Please use your brains.

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As for the assault thing, Austrian papers say she has hematoma all over the body including her throat, and signs of binding at the wrists. She died of asphyxiation (no clear cause mentioned yet), and she didn't die where she was found. The latter is a bit confusing as the prosecution has also been quoted with saying that it's not clear if she got to that tree on her own or was carried there, but that may be because knowledge and/or strategy changed over time.

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Old 03.07.2021, 13:23
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It seems as if you're saying through all your arguments that it's OK to be racist and refugees cause problems.
Then you haven't been reading what I've been saying.

On the contrary, it's racist to come to the defence of certain individuals purely on the basis of their race.

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1. Again, this thread is about refugees being deported.
2. Everyone agrees what those men did was horrible and should be punished.
3. No one is defending the murderers.
not sure about that one. What was it Treverus said?

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4. There are other factors involved including:
- The girl was involved with drugs and the wrong friends but the mother had no idea even though the daughter often didn't come home.

You insisit we ralk about their deportation right.

Do you see any grounds on which the deportation of a murderer should be dependent on the victim having a bad mother?

Did you know that some of Brevik's victims also took drugs? Some grew up in single parent households. Does that in any way change anything?

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- Drugs were involved
- These men have committed previous crimes

For me, the question is should these refugees rot in jail in Austria or be deported back to Afghanistan.
Actually the article was not about them being deported now but asked why they had not been deported on account of their previous convictions.
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That's how you read his posts. I read them differently.
Here is one of the posts that you thanked:

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The article says at the same time that the girl knew the boys, volunteerly hang out with them... and then suddenly claims that she was "drugged" by them. It surely seems that she wanted the drugs... neighbours say in the article "there was always girls hanging out with them". Same with the sexual assault. We dont actually know that it was an assault, do we?
This post seems to claim:
- There is nothing strange or wrong about 4 older ''boys'' (aged 16,18,22,23 ) providing hard drugs to a 13 year old girl, because she wanted them.

- It questions whether the older ''boys'' having sexual relations with a drugged up 13 year old girl is sexual assault or not.

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Please stop accusing other people of ''twisting words'' when it's apparent you are the only one who is doing so.
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Old 03.07.2021, 13:27
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Re: Refugees not being deported

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I'm leaving this thread because there is an agenda going on here by many indivduals that freaks me out. Facts are ignored, twisted and unfounded accusations are made. It saddens me to see what's happening and I seriously have problems with MC who keeps thanking this type of thinking.

I don't understand how the Local can approve of this type of political thinking and letting their forum become a platform for a right-wing movement.

It's sickening.
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Old 03.07.2021, 13:31
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Here is one of the posts that you thanked:



This post seems to claim:
- There is nothing strange or wrong about 4 older ''boys'' (aged 16,18,22,23 ) providing hard drugs to a 13 year old girl, because she wanted them.

- It questions whether the older ''boys'' having sexual relations with a drugged up 13 year old girl is sexual assault or not.

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Please stop accusing other people of ''twisting words'' when it's apparent you are the only one who is doing so.
Olygirl, maybe you should be asking yourself why this is so important to you. Why would anybody come to the defense of individuals they have never seen or met and promote all sorts of untenable theories in their favour purely because of their race, and be convinced that this sort of racism is fine because they are doing it "against racism".
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I don't understand how the Local can approve of this type of political thinking and letting their forum become a platform for a right-wing movement.

It's sickening.
The forum had become very left wing, it's becoming more balanced & more tolerant to different views. I think it's a good thing.

I am concerned you find this balance sickening.
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I am concerned you find this balance sickening.
I am concerned that any form of balance or open discussion can be construed as negative, let alone sickening.
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The forum had become very left wing, it's becoming more balanced & more tolerant to different views. I think it's a good thing.

I am concerned you find this balance sickening.
I disagree vehemently. It is no longer tolerant to any view except for a righteous/conservative one. Take a look at the posts on this thread and the amount of thanks. Other views are being pushed out through false accusations, misinformation and twisting of words.

Congratulations. You've got what you wanted...
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Again, you're making assumptions that are not true. It's hard to take you seriously when you continue to provoke and twist words instead of engaging respectfully in a serious discussion.
I see claims of serious intent yet the exact same member got threatened a few times by you, merely for having a different, civil opinion.

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This forum is heading into the nut job territory. Lousy wit compounded by projection. If this was supposed to be funny, it's not. If it's serious, I'll make sure you're banned from this forum forever.
I appreciate the maturity that our community shows to respect other people's right to see issues differently.
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