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For example, to say "People who are dismissed as 'conspiracy theorists' are often well researched and simply ahead of the mainstream narrative." Are people who deny the Holocaust ever having taken place or who deny that humans actually walked on the moon "well-researched and simply ahead of the mainstream narrative?"
There is a broad scale. Holocaust deniers, Flat Earthers etc are obviously not the type he meant.
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If anything is a conspiracy theory, it's Christianity. And that is something that a lot of people 'adopt' simply because they do want to fit in with mainstream society.
Basically every religion out there, why pick on baby Jesus only?


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...attack or criticize science in general.
Yes, many people who criticize science in general are religious types, but the guy was not talking about REAL SCIENCE, I think he was talking about opinions disguised as real science. For example, the bat/pangolin hypothesis was paraded as FACT on MSM, there is zero evidence for it (as Marton would say)
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I think a lot of people also didn't vote at the time because they (wrongly) assumed that Clinton would win. I know a lot of my liberal friends were completely shocked that Trump won. And in truth, Clinton did win the majority / popular vote.
Pancake, haah) actually this makes me giggle a bit So can you imagine, those 8y of misery, podesta, bengazi, commet ping pong, huma abedin testimony, wars and all that (hilary clinton and her husband CV) what you are saying.. in spite of that, your friends and others would STILL vote HER , no matter what

So if we consider ouselves intelligent beings, responsible citizens, people who are informed and all that..I wonder , at what point is one person supposed to say "Enough" ??

Basically this just shows how people would vote even their own hangman just becaucse that's how they've been indoctrinated or at one point in life they chose "a side" and then, all sensors,logic are cut off you blindly follow the hangman no matter what.
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Re: 20 Things I've Learned (Or Had Confirmed) About Humanity During The 'Pandemic'

a short summary ) let me know if you disagree


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No 14, No 20, (Susie,olygirl, Curley, Chuff, marton, abFab,)

No 4,No11,No13, people who understood the mechanisms of these points (Polymath,musicChic, tonyclifton ..)

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There is a broad scale. Holocaust deniers, Flat Earthers etc are obviously not the type he meant.
Basically every religion out there, why pick on baby Jesus only?


Yes, many people who criticize science in general are religious types, but the guy was not talking about REAL SCIENCE, I think he was talking about opinions disguised as real science. For example, the bat/pangolin hypothesis was paraded as FACT on MSM, there is zero evidence for it (as Marton would say)
I guess it's difficult to really understand what exactly he was referring to in regard to conspiracy theories since he didn't specify, which goes back to my original point about him being too generalizing. What conspiracy theories do you think he IS referring to?

I had specified Christianity rather than all religions because that is the dominant religion in the US and in the West and therefore the more relevant in that context.

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Pancake, haah) actually this makes me giggle a bit So can you imagine, those 8y of misery, podesta, bengazi, commet ping pong, huma abedin testimony, wars and all that (hilary clinton and her husband CV) what you are saying.. in spite of that, your friends and others would STILL vote HER , no matter what

So if we consider ouselves intelligent beings, responsible citizens, people who are informed and all that..I wonder , at what point is one person supposed to say "Enough" ??

Basically this just shows how people would vote even their own hangman just becaucse that's how they've been indoctrinated or at one point in life they chose "a side" and then, all sensors,logic are cut off you blindly follow the hangman no matter what.
I am barely able to understand much of what you've written here. Did you have too much coffee today? But regarding the last paragraph, isn't that what a lot of people did when they voted for Trump?
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Re: 20 Things I've Learned (Or Had Confirmed) About Humanity During The 'Pandemic'

Some conspiracy theories are obvious balderdash . Like denying the Holocaust .

Some conspiracy theories are insider jokes that wind up those who don’t get the joke . Like the flat earth theory . In which those get the joke push all the buttons to elicit responses from those who don’t . As such you might say it’s a reverse conspiracy . Only that’s it’s not a secret but blatantly obvious .

Some conspiracies are real , like cartels and price fixing.

Just because some conspiracy theories are not based in reality does not prove that sometimes people don’t get together to conspire to hide facts and plans from the public .

To imply that anybody who implies any form of conspiracy must automatically be wrong is not a very sound train of argument

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a short summary ) let me know if you disagree

9/ Humans can be trained and conditioned quickly and relatively easily to significantly alter their behaviours - for better or worse.
10/ When sufficiently frightened, most people will not only accept authoritarianism, but demand it.
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16/ Most people care more about looking like they are doing the right thing, rather than actually doing the right thing.
19/ Modern people are overly complacent and lack vigilance when it comes to defending their own freedoms from government overreach.
7/ Most people believe the government acts in the best interests of the people. Even many who are vocal critics of the government.
8/ Once they have made up their mind, most people would rather to commit to being wrong, than admit they were wrong.

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20/ It's easier to fool a person than to convince them that they have been fooled.
14/ A significant % of people thoroughly enjoy being subjugated.
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11/ People who are dismissed as 'conspiracy theorists' are often well researched and simply ahead of the mainstream narrative.
4/ Propaganda is just as effective in the modern day as it was 100 years ago. Access to limitless information has not made the average person any wiser.
13/ Hedonic adaptation occurs in both directions, and once inertia sets in, it is difficult to get people back to 'normal'.
No 4,No11,No13, people who understood the mechanisms of these points (Polymath,musicChic, tonyclifton ..)
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Re: 20 Things I've Learned (Or Had Confirmed) About Humanity During The 'Pandemic'

Furthermore many feminists talk as if there is a conspiracy among men to keep women down . Many BLM types talk as if there is a conspiracy to keep blacks down .
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amogles, I agree but I think at the same time how things are developing I dont think we are even using the right terminology and it ends up in a big mess.

For ex , we all know how it was the CIA who pushed that term "conspiracy" after JFK's assasination . And why? Because people were questioning the official theory and lot of theories came out so everyone who ever questioned what happened was tagged "conspiracionist" .
I've got two problems with this... How can you be a conspirationist, against whom do you conspire? and just because you see some lies, or you question the official theory then you are conspirationist? which means , never question anything then you are a good citizen not a looney (who beleives conspiracy theoeries)

2nd thing, if they dont want us to conspire ) then, how come, JFK investigation files, docs, everything, got locked for some good 60y? Few years ago we were supposed to see some files released but they said "lot of it got lost and burned" and the rest is to see the day in 2030 If we're talking about democracy here , the country that is proud of their justice, the whole juridical system how come those files didnt get released straight away, even in 1965 ?? who decided it'll be 2030 , and how come everyone accepted this and no one said "WHAT? we're not some banana state, we will open all files and continue the investigation" ?))

Just like the 9/11.. that 3rd building that collapsed didnt have an airplane hitting it yet it went down just like the other two.And those files were also locked and then disappeared. But , I'm a bad person if I question the official theory.
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amogles, I agree but I think at the same time how things are developing I dont think we are even using the right terminology and it ends up in a big mess.

For ex , we all know how it was the CIA who pushed that term "conspiracy" after JFK's assasination . And why? Because people were questioning the official theory and lot of theories came out so everyone who ever questioned what happened was tagged "conspiracionist" .
I've got two problems with this... How can you be a conspirationist, against whom do you conspire? and just because you see some lies, or you question the official theory then you are conspirationist? which means , never question anything then you are a good citizen not a looney (who beleives conspiracy theoeries)

2nd thing, if they dont want us to conspire ) then, how come, JFK investigation files, docs, everything, got locked for some good 60y? Few years ago we were supposed to see some files released but they said "lot of it got lost and burned" and the rest is to see the day in 2030 If we're talking about democracy here , the country that is proud of their justice, the whole juridical system how come those files didnt get released straight away, even in 1965 ?? who decided it'll be 2030 , and how come everyone accepted this and no one said "WHAT? we're not some banana state, we will open all files and continue the investigation" ?))

Just like the 9/11.. that 3rd building that collapsed didnt have an airplane hitting it yet it went down just like the other two.And those files were also locked and then disappeared. But , I'm a bad person if I question the official theory.
Actually a conspirator doesn't conspire, they believe someone else does.

As to JFK, the people who've got something to hide probably didn't expect to still live after 60 years. Now they're quiet sure they won't make it until 2030.
This is the USA.

You could always research who was in power/in service of police, FBI, CIA and dog knows what other organisations they have over there and is still alive and powerful (or admired) enough that people today would still wanna protect them?
On the other hand, there are other things to do with your life which are more fun.
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Furthermore many feminists talk as if there is a conspiracy among men to keep women down . Many BLM types talk as if there is a conspiracy to keep blacks down .
The Catholic Church for centuries debated if women are human And , "if women have a soul" or are just beings without any emotion

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curley , actually I dont have any other things fun to do so I might just as well solve all these problems in the world that have been going on for centuries.
I'm fully motivated to fix everything
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I don't really care about JFK. He was way before my time. I know lots of people worship him, even today, but I think there are more interesting people in history, even among America's presidents.

I did actually go and see the grassy knoll in Dallas where he was shot. Not because I particularly care but because I was in Dallas for other reasons and my hotel was close by and I had time to kill between things. The moment you stop to look at something, multiple trinket sellers and panhandlers descend on you trying to sell everything from tacky souvenirs to conspiracy books and CDs that they guarantee have the only one true version of events and contain facts that nobody else knows. It's a bit crazy really.
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I don't really care about JFK. He was way before my time. I know lots of people worship him, even today, but I think there are more interesting people in history, even among America's presidents.

I did actually go and see the grassy knoll in Dallas where he was shot. Not because I particularly care but because I was in Dallas for other reasons and my hotel was close by and I had time to kill between things. The moment you stop to look at something, multiple trinket sellers and panhandlers descend on you trying to sell everything from tacky souvenirs to conspiracy books and CDs that they guarantee have the only one true version of events and contain facts that nobody else knows. It's a bit crazy really.
It's not about JFK as a person but about an American president being killed and all the info abut it gets locked up. If it were my government I would 'man the barricades' but it's not, so not my fight to fight.
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Furthermore many feminists talk as if there is a conspiracy among men to keep women down . Many BLM types talk as if there is a conspiracy to keep blacks down .
That's just a derivative of Marx and his class warfare. His "oppressing bourgeoisie vs oppressed laborers" has been replaced by "oppressing men vs poor wimmin/LGBTABCDE+-" and the likes (whites vs blacks, etc), and the assumption that the solution can only come from, and be enacted by, the collective (usually the state). It's a rather neat ideology in some sense as it allows the victims (feminists, woketivists, ABCDE++ etc) to claim the moral higher ground, which in turn is the gounds for their cries for protection (notably by the very same men who are imagined to oppress them). Interestingly enough, now that equality of rights and opportunities has undeniable changed and favors wimmin while it clearly disadvantages men (see the Matura for example), feminists and woketivists have switched to demanding equity, aka equality of outcome. But of course only in the areas that interest them, they couldn't care less about (predominantly male) blue collar workers.

That's why you (or any feminist reading this) will be hard pressed to name even just a few feminist demands that would remove one of their advantages, despite their incessant lies about wanting equality.

This is one major reason why I call contemporary (i.e. 3rd wave) feminism sexist, misandrist and toxic.
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For ex , we all know how it was the CIA who pushed that term "conspiracy" after JFK's assasination . And why? Because people were questioning the official theory and lot of theories came out so everyone who ever questioned what happened was tagged "conspiracionist" .
Conspiracy in the US legal sense simply means that at least two people have conspired, i.e. acted in a coordinated way and with the same aim.

As for the disputatio, your satire detector may be broken

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No 16, No 19, No 7 No 8 ( Axa, Curley , belgiumum, greenmount,£Chuff, Susie)

No 14, No 20, (Susie,olygirl, Curley, Chuff, marton, abFab,)

No 4,No11,No13, people who understood the mechanisms of these points (Polymath,musicChic, tonyclifton ..)

I'm off now to go and buy some lovely veggies and fruits sprayed with cancerogenous glyphosate and 2,3,7,8-tetrachlorodibenzo-p-dioxin produced by some nice pharma who is taking care of our/my health so I couldnt finish my list but I might get back to it later ...kisses to everyone ***
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...... Conspiracy in the US legal sense simply means that at least two people have conspired, i.e. acted in a coordinated way and with the same aim.
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And why? Because people were questioning the official theory and lot of theories came out so everyone who ever questioned what happened was tagged "conspiracionist" .
They weren't because there's no such word as 'conspiracionist' in the English language.

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The point made in the original post here was:

11/ People who are dismissed as 'conspiracy theorists' are often well researched and simply ahead of the mainstream narrative.

My problem with that statement is that he's basically saying that most conspiracy theories are true. I'm not sure how exactly he's able to gauge that. Is it that only the conspiracy theories that he believes to be true are true? Or is he implying that he believes in most conspiracy theories and that most conspiracy theories are true?
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Blueangel thanks for your input . But , very soon it'll enter officialy the M&W as more and more ppl are using this form ..since it became almost a vocation

 




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