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20 Things I've Learned (Or Had Confirmed) About Humanity During The 'Pandemic'

Joe Rogan was talking about some guy called Zuby music and his Twitter 20 point list. Do you agree or disagree with any of the points?

Unfortunately, I agree with all 21 points to varying degree! It is Friday, so I will post it here. Btw these points apply to people on EF too

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1/ Most people would rather be in the majority, than be right.

2/ At least 20% of the population has strong authoritarian tendencies, which will emerge under the right conditions.
TTYL- Higher than 20% in my opinion

3/ Fear of death is only rivalled by the fear of social disapproval. The latter could be stronger.

4/ Propaganda is just as effective in the modern day as it was 100 years ago. Access to limitless information has not made the average person any wiser.

5/ Anything and everything can and will be politicized by the media, government, and those who trust them.

6/ Many politicians and large corporations will gladly sacrifice human lives if it is conducive to their political and financial aspirations.

7/ Most people believe the government acts in the best interests of the people. Even many who are vocal critics of the government.

8/ Once they have made up their mind, most people would rather to commit to being wrong, than admit they were wrong.
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9/ Humans can be trained and conditioned quickly and relatively easily to significantly alter their behaviours - for better or worse.

10/ When sufficiently frightened, most people will not only accept authoritarianism, but demand it.

11/ People who are dismissed as 'conspiracy theorists' are often well researched and simply ahead of the mainstream narrative.

12/ Most people value safety and security more than freedom and liberty, even if said 'safety' is merely an illusion.

13/ Hedonic adaptation occurs in both directions, and once inertia sets in, it is difficult to get people back to 'normal'.

14/ A significant % of people thoroughly enjoy being subjugated.

15/ 'The Science' has evolved into a secular pseudo-religion for millions of people in the West. This religion has little to do with science itself.

16/ Most people care more about looking like they are doing the right thing, rather than actually doing the right thing.

17/ Politics, the media, science, and the healthcare industries are all corrupt, to varying degrees. Scientists and doctors can be bought as easily as politicians.

18/ If you make people comfortable enough, they will not revolt. You can keep millions docile as you strip their rights, by giving them money, food, and entertainment.

19/ Modern people are overly complacent and lack vigilance when it comes to defending their own freedoms from government overreach.

20/ It's easier to fool a person than to convince them that they have been fooled.


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21/ Most people are fairly compassionate and have good intentions (this is good) As a result, most people deeply struggle to understand that some people, including our 'leaders', CAN have malicious or perverse intentions (this is bad).
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Old 09.07.2021, 09:17
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Re: 20 Things I've Learned (Or Had Confirmed) About Humanity During The 'Pandemic'



I think that the point 7 depends how competent your abstract "gov" is, depends on a country, probably, history, experiences...etc. And he forgot a sense of humor, p. 22. Saving human lives since the dawn of time..
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Re: 20 Things I've Learned (Or Had Confirmed) About Humanity During The 'Pandemic'

Number 7 is exactly how Trump got elected.
Many Americans have no trust in the government.
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Number 7 is exactly how Trump got elected.
Many Americans have no trust in the government.
Indeed. In CH it is not the case, in my experiences.
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Indeed. In CH it is not the case, in my experiences.
Plenty don't trust the government here too but it'd definitely not as extreme. Living in Schwyz and knowing the SVP has the upper-hand, I've seen decisions made that are more than questionable.
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Re: 20 Things I've Learned (Or Had Confirmed) About Humanity During The 'Pandemic'

I’m not sure about 1. I think the majority generally prefer to stay silent than speak against the “popular minority” for fear of being vilified. For example woe betide you if you try and have a reasoned conversation on a “woke topic”.
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Number 7 is exactly how Trump got elected.
Many Americans have no trust in the government.
I don't think this is improving there, though, with the political changes, Covid stress, etc.
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Re: 20 Things I've Learned (Or Had Confirmed) About Humanity During The 'Pandemic'

Why does only point 21 tell us what's good ad what's bad? Most unusual.

I can't take part in this Friday's thread, it seems. I know quiet many people who are "like this", then I know a a few who are "like that", a load of strangers who seem to be "like this or that" and then there's millions and millions of people I know exist yet I've never met or heard or read from and most likely never will. The latter would be the mentioned "most people" and as "I've never met or heard or read from" them I'm not in the position to analyse and classify them.
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Re: 20 Things I've Learned (Or Had Confirmed) About Humanity During The 'Pandemic'

Congrats, you've just found out that people are people, and always will be
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Re: 20 Things I've Learned (Or Had Confirmed) About Humanity During The 'Pandemic'

I remain a bit perplexed to see how easily the marketing line "the injection (or injections, if 2 doses) is free in Switzerland" is swallowed, when it's incorrect. I'm a bit sad to hear people express surprise to learn we have swathes of people who, assuming they want to, cannot receive the injection/s currently, per the rules put in place.


In the voluntary sector, a lot of effort is being spent on trying to release the shackles tieing the injection/s to active health insurance and active ID. There has been a tiny bit of success so far in a few Cantons. There's a lot of work ahead.


It's a startling reminder of how disconnected affluent people can be from the lives of the disadvantaged, should they wish to maintain distance.
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I remain a bit perplexed to see how easily the marketing line "the injection (or injections, if 2 doses) is free in Switzerland" is swallowed, when it's incorrect. I'm a bit sad to hear people express surprise to learn we have swathes of people who, assuming they want to, cannot receive the injection/s currently, per the rules put in place.
When claiming that others lie, it's nothing but ordinary decency to prove your case by linking relevant statements by the entity you criticise.

You risk making a liar out of yourself otherwise, which is rather likely in this case.
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When claiming that others lie, it's nothing but ordinary decency to prove your case by linking relevant statements by the entity you criticise.

You risk making a liar out of yourself otherwise, which is rather likely in this case.
I think it's quite clear that the vaccine is not free.

We will all pay somehow or other. Be it through taxes or health insurance premiums.
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Re: 20 Things I've Learned (Or Had Confirmed) About Humanity During The 'Pandemic'

Fab topic. It did lift me up , it's like an antidote to my 'hangover' I find all the points so important , it should be discussed daily and in detail.
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When claiming that others lie, it's nothing but ordinary decency to prove your case by linking relevant statements by the entity you criticise.

You risk making a liar out of yourself otherwise, which is rather likely in this case.
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Number 7 is exactly how Trump got elected.
Many Americans have no trust in the government.
I'd say no.

What got Trump elected is Hilary-Obama 8y of reign , because people had desperate hope how things will be better ... instead they got cute-smile-talk-boy who instead of progress, managed with a holywood smile to drop in only one year 26,000 bombs on Syria. And tell us all how we are in a great great greaaaat danger from that horrible man bashir al assad. (wow, lucky we survived Assad's attacks on us , i suppose )
While at the same time selling some craptalk like "ecology" "peace" "no plastic straw for you but a bomb is probably biodegradable"

Then what got elected Trum was also Obama's girl Hilary , Bengazi scandal that just showed how that catwalk-stylish fancy government is rotten to its core.. Those 30k emails just deleted... PizzaGate ... and let's say , fracking and how in some parts of the US people have less and less access to a clean water ..

maybe to that we can add the The Deepwater Horizon oil and how this was never talked about for some reason ?? but Trumps orange hair was on the news everysingleday.
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I think it's quite clear that the vaccine is not free.

We will all pay somehow or other. Be it through taxes or health insurance premiums.
I would think that free refers to what the recipient has to pay, directly, the vaccinated person in this case. The rest is just a silly game on semantics.

Public schools are free. Obviously that doesn't mean there are no costs, or that the teachers work without pay.
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Re: 20 Things I've Learned (Or Had Confirmed) About Humanity During The 'Pandemic'

I agree with some points; I disagree with others. But for the most part, I think some or perhaps many of those statements are just far too generalizing.

For example, to say "People who are dismissed as 'conspiracy theorists' are often well researched and simply ahead of the mainstream narrative." Are people who deny the Holocaust ever having taken place or who deny that humans actually walked on the moon "well-researched and simply ahead of the mainstream narrative?" If anything is a conspiracy theory, it's Christianity. And that is something that a lot of people 'adopt' simply because they do want to fit in with mainstream society. That probably strongly relates to Points #1 and #20.

Similarly, I don't think it makes sense to say that people should or shouldn't base their opinions on the majority consensus, particularly if that majority consensus is based on facts (e.g. the earth is not flat). I also don't think it makes sense to attack or criticize science in general. But those who do criticize science are, of course, the same types of people who believe that the earth was created in six days, who worship a 2,000 year-old book that was created long before we had any basic understanding of the universe, who usually don't really understand much about science and who will go to the hospital when they're very ill, thus putting their trust in medical science.

I think that whoever created those points should probably direct them inward and honestly ask himself if any of them might pertain to himself. But I guess that would bring us to Point #20.
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I'd say no.

What got Trump elected is Hilary-Obama 8y of reign , because people had desperate hope how things will be better ... instead they got cute-smile-talk-boy who instead of progress, managed with a holywood smile to drop in only one year 26,000 bombs on Syria. And tell us all how we are in a great great greaaaat danger from that horrible man bashir al assad. (wow, lucky we survived Assad's attacks on us , i suppose )
While at the same time selling some craptalk like "ecology" "peace" "no plastic straw for you but a bomb is probably biodegradable"

Then what got elected Trum was also Obama's girl Hilary , Bengazi scandal that just showed how that catwalk-stylish fancy government is rotten to its core.. Those 30k emails just deleted... PizzaGate ... and let's say , fracking and how in some parts of the US people have less and less access to a clean water ..

maybe to that we can add the The Deepwater Horizon oil and how this was never talked about for some reason ?? but Trumps orange hair was on the news everysingleday.
I think a lot of people also didn't vote at the time because they (wrongly) assumed that Clinton would win. I know a lot of my liberal friends were completely shocked that Trump won. And in truth, Clinton did win the majority / popular vote.

But that's probably not a discussion suitable for this thread.
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Re: 20 Things I've Learned (Or Had Confirmed) About Humanity During The 'Pandemic'

No idea who Joe Rogan is, but as for No.13, the clue's in 'adaption'.
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I'm a bit sad to hear people express surprise to learn we have swathes of people who, assuming they want to, cannot receive the injection/s currently, per the rules put in place.


In the voluntary sector, a lot of effort is being spent on trying to release the shackles tieing the injection/s to active health insurance and active ID. There has been a tiny bit of success so far in a few Cantons. There's a lot of work ahead.


It's a startling reminder of how disconnected affluent people can be from the lives of the disadvantaged, should they wish to maintain distance.
Twaddle. It's got NOTHING to do with how affluent you are. My friend who's been on social for 5 years got vaccinated.

I assume you're referring to the sans-papiers. Personally, I think it's in the interests of everyone that they also should get vaccinated. But to question that vaccination is free on those grounds is muddying the water. Be clear about your contentions.

Funnily enough another of my friends, a rejected asylum seeker, (BL) was vaccinated (he went to the centre, explained and got the jab), so you really need to come up with evidence.
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