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Isn't he in prison? If not, he should be.
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Isn't he in prison? If not, he should be.
No, and he is unlikely to ever be. In the Valais, particularly around Visp, he is a god.
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Old 18.08.2021, 14:15
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This is the key point here. China flexing her muscles, the Taliban were in China not long ago. Surely a pipeline across the country to connect the Gulf with China can't be far off. I would be nervous if I lived in Taiwan right now.

The West meanwhile is at war with itself. Divided, indebted, self-obsessed and weak. The Roman Empire ended in rather a similar way.
A pipeline across the country to connect the Gulf with China is a fantasy.

The Taliban are more likely to smuggle arms to their Islamic brothers, the Uyghurs, and to foment anti-China rebellions.
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Old 18.08.2021, 14:53
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No we don't think, we know it for a fact after seeing how the Taliban were greeted and welcome back in Afghanistan
There are many reports today of widespread protests against the Taliban with protestors waving the Afghan flag being beaten and shot.
No doubt all from the #fakenewsmedia
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Old 18.08.2021, 15:26
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It truly pains me to see the misconceptions that a few posters have in their continuance on generalizing the Afghanistan nation.

EF: Where propaganda and racism are allowed to flourish.
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Old 18.08.2021, 23:40
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Re: Afghanistan: misplaced trust in USA evident?

Actually managing a country is a very different business than attacking it from within.

A number of countries have frozen Afghanistan bank accounts and now the US Treasury Department is taking steps to prevent the Taliban from accessing some $450 million in aid from the International Monetary Fund (IMF) in the wake of the group’s takeover of Afghanistan, according to a department official.

The IMF, with U.S. backing, is issuing billions of dollars worth of new “special drawing rights,” a reserve asset that can be converted to government-backed money, to aid poorer countries.
A portion of those assets was scheduled to be allocated to Afghanistan next week.

Looks like Afghanistan will soon run out of money.
They import around $200 million per year of petroleum products without which the country will soon grind to a standstill and they annually import around $300 million of electricity from surrounding countries.
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Old 18.08.2021, 23:50
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Re: Afghanistan: misplaced trust in USA evident?

Getting out was right and in all likelihood always going to be messy. Biden does not deserve blame for pulling out or having been there in the first place. He shares responsibility with the govts from Bush II to Trump on the lack of strategy there.

That said, Biden just said on ABC (?) that the withdrawal could not have been handled better. This is just ridiculous. He needs to own the ops of the pull out.

Most of the GOP criticism is of course also bullshit. But Biden will get into problems with the independent vote here.
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Re: Afghanistan: misplaced trust in USA evident?

As a former American, this is a proud moment for the rest of the world, seeing a country that has successfully rid itself of the shackles of the oppressive US government.

Afghanistan clearly did not want America occupying their country. For the last 20 years, the US has been there with no clear goal in mind. It started with the search for "Weapons of Mass Destruction" which were never found, and the agenda hasn't really progressed forward since.

So why did the U.S. stay so long? Endless revenue for the Military Industrial Complex. Forget investing domestically in schools, roads, healthcare. That money is apparently better spent bombing random civilians in a desert across the pond.

In any case, there are tens of thousands of US citizens stranded right now, yet they just dropped off a large load of Afghani migrants in Wisconsin. There are no plans to evacuate the citizens currently stranded. This should tell you everything you need to know about how U.S. sees its own people.

Bottom line: The Taliban has won a holy victory, and will seek to reverse all the ideological and psychological damage caused by the 20 year American occupation. The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan simply wishes to create a society that is in line with Islam and free from malicious foreign influence, and I believe through their strong religious conviction, they will succeed in doing so.
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Re: Afghanistan: misplaced trust in USA evident?

At least, all the SJWs now have a place to go where they have their work cut out for them.

Oh wait...
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As a former American, this is a proud moment for the rest of the world, seeing a country that has successfully rid itself of the shackles of the oppressive US government.
I thought you were Swiss, unfortunately raised as an American and therefore a bit at a loss back here in the “Old Country”.

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Afghanistan clearly did not want America occupying their country. For the last 20 years, the US has been there with no clear goal in mind. It started with the search for "Weapons of Mass Destruction" which were never found, and the agenda hasn't really progressed forward since.
WMD = Irak, not Afghanistan

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So why did the U.S. stay so long? Endless revenue for the Military Industrial Complex. Forget investing domestically in schools, roads, healthcare. That money is apparently better spent bombing random civilians in a desert across the pond.

In any case, there are tens of thousands of US citizens stranded right now, yet they just dropped off a large load of Afghani migrants in Wisconsin. There are no plans to evacuate the citizens currently stranded. This should tell you everything you need to know about how U.S. sees its own people.

Bottom line: The Taliban has won a holy victory, and will seek to reverse all the ideological and psychological damage caused by the 20 year American occupation. The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan simply wishes to create a society that is in line with Islam and free from malicious foreign influence, and I believe through their strong religious conviction, they will succeed in doing so.
OMG! Are you really serious? A former American takes up his Swiss Citzenship “on a whim” and after general nonsense starts spouting religious bullshit.
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Old 19.08.2021, 12:40
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Oh boy ...

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About 5,000 to 10,000 Americans are still "near Kabul," Pentagon estimates
From CNN's Ellie Kaufman

There are approximately 5,000 to 10,000 Americans "near Kabul" in Afghanistan, Pentagon press secretary John Kirby said during an interview with CNN’s John Berman on New Day.

“We think there are certainly thousands of Americans. We don’t have an exact count. I would say somewhere best guess between 5 and 10,000 near Kabul,” Kirby said.

Kirby said Americans in Kabul no longer need to shelter in place. The State Department put out a message “advising those Americans about how to queue up and get to the airport,” Kirby said.

“They can begin movement to the airport for processing flights out,” he added.
This is very interesting. It seems people working as military contractors supporting the actual troops were left behind. People cleaning, cooking, giving maintenance to vehicles and bases were forgotten by their private employers. Somehow, the US government is blamed instead of the employers.

This feels close. I work for a company that sometimes has contracts in not-so-safe places around the world. But, I would never expect that the Swiss government would be blamed for the management decisions of my employer.

Also, it's a good lesson for everyone. If you work for US government (soldier, embassy worker) you're 1st class American citizen. If you work for a private contractor, you're 2nd class American citizen. Hope the lesson is learned.
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This is very interesting. It seems people working as military contractors supporting the actual troops were left behind. People cleaning, cooking, giving maintenance to vehicles and bases were forgotten by their private employers. Somehow, the US government is blamed instead of the employers.

This feels close. I work for a company that sometimes has contracts in not-so-safe places around the world. But, I would never expect that the Swiss government would be blamed for the management decisions of my employer.

Also, it's a good lesson for everyone. If you work for US government (soldier, embassy worker) you're 1st class American citizen. If you work for a private contractor, you're 2nd class American citizen. Hope the lesson is learned.
My local newspaper claims there are 28 Swiss in that country.
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Re: Afghanistan: misplaced trust in USA evident?

Life of women in Afganistan:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj...il-11629327049
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My local newspaper claims there are 28 Swiss in that country.
Soldiers, CH federal government employees, tourists, aid workers, UN people?

Every situation is different. If they are tourists they should be named and shamed, mind privacy laws
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Old 20.08.2021, 12:45
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Re: Afghanistan: misplaced trust in USA evident?

Seems one small area is holding out but not big enough to change anything significant, unless it becomes a point for marshalling anti-Taliban forces.
The Taliban leaders seem to have little control over their foot soldiers so it will always be an unstable government structure.

The Panjshir Valley remains the last area of Afghanistan standing strong against the Taliban, almost 1500 sq miles and getting on for 200,000 people.

The valley is located north of Kabul in the Hindu Kush. This was a resistance stronghold against the Soviets in the 1980s and then against the Taliban in the 1990s.

Since it always remained the resistance zone, it was never conquered by any forces -- neither by foreign forces nor by the Taliban.
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Re: Afghanistan: misplaced trust in USA evident?

What a shame.

Luckily they have a great supporter in the Vice President of the Free World that can voice her concerns on women's rights.

Oh, but she is MIA just like Biden, nowhere to be found.

I guess touching the Afghan women topic or Afghanistan in general can be hurtful for her 2024 nomination given how there is absolutely no way Joe can run.

Again, we did it Joe
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Re: Afghanistan: misplaced trust in USA evident?

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitic...escue-missions

It's difficult to say who is telling the truth and if these reports are true.

But it seems that at least the UK is doing what it can and hasn't yet abandoned its citizens and Afghani workers.

Well, mostly:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...bul-evacuation

Helps that they actually have a government in place that seems to be doing its job.
That low is the bar these days.


My guess is now that China will just casually land on Taiwan's beaches sometime around 9/11 when Joe is in his basement, rehearsing his speech.
Or maybe right when he's holding it because they know he can't do more than one serious thing a day anymore.
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What a shame.

Luckily they have a great supporter in the Vice President of the Free World that can voice her concerns on women's rights.

Oh, but she is MIA just like Biden, nowhere to be found.

I guess touching the Afghan women topic or Afghanistan in general can be hurtful for her 2024 nomination given how there is absolutely no way Joe can run.

Again, we did it Joe
Actually, Harris is on her way to Vietnam. What a way to own her "Saigon on steroids" moment, show domestic leadership and work for the women of Afghanistan.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/...f-taliban-rise
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As a former American, this is a proud moment for the rest of the world, seeing a country that has successfully rid itself of the shackles of the oppressive US government.

Afghanistan clearly did not want America occupying their country. For the last 20 years, the US has been there with no clear goal in mind. It started with the search for "Weapons of Mass Destruction" which were never found, and the agenda hasn't really progressed forward since.

So why did the U.S. stay so long? Endless revenue for the Military Industrial Complex. Forget investing domestically in schools, roads, healthcare. That money is apparently better spent bombing random civilians in a desert across the pond.

In any case, there are tens of thousands of US citizens stranded right now, yet they just dropped off a large load of Afghani migrants in Wisconsin. There are no plans to evacuate the citizens currently stranded. This should tell you everything you need to know about how U.S. sees its own people.

Bottom line: The Taliban has won a holy victory, and will seek to reverse all the ideological and psychological damage caused by the 20 year American occupation. The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan simply wishes to create a society that is in line with Islam and free from malicious foreign influence, and I believe through their strong religious conviction, they will succeed in doing so.
About "a country that has successfully rid itself of the shackles of the oppressive US government" actually most of the Taliban are Pakistanis (or were educated in Pakistan) not Afghans so it is just another foreign takeover.
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About "a country that has successfully rid itself of the shackles of the oppressive US government" actually most of the Taliban are Pakistanis (or were educated in Pakistan) not Afghans so it is just another foreign takeover.
Local people have remarked that they can't understand what the Taliban fighters are saying as they definitely aren't speaking any of the local languages.
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