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Re: Afghanistan: misplaced trust in USA evident?

I missed all the fun, but let me keep it simple! Indirectly or directly...

USA = Taliban = ISIS = Pakistan ISI

Everything else is just window dressing.
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Re: Afghanistan: misplaced trust in USA evident?

I bear no love for John Bolton, but he gave a good interview (I think on the Beeb or Sky) this morning. I thought he laid blame all round evenly. We are now facing a fragile Pakistani army, with the lunatics in charge next door.
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I bear no love for John Bolton, but he gave a good interview (I think on the Beeb or Sky) this morning. I thought he laid blame all round evenly. We are now facing a fragile Pakistani army, with the lunatics in charge next door.
That was one of the objectives of invading Afghanistan 20 years ago. To prevent the spread of the Taliban into the neighboring Pakistan.

Pakistan had 20 years to prepare to face this issue. I hope they can handle it.
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I bear no love for John Bolton, but he gave a good interview (I think on the Beeb or Sky) this morning. I thought he laid blame all round evenly. We are now facing a fragile Pakistani army, with the lunatics in charge next door.
Is that a joke? The current lunatics in charge next door were created, fed and nurtured by the Pakistan army/ISI and probably with the semi or full blessing of the USA. Pakistan army is basically a rent army. USA has been renting them for decades and looks like China will be renting them for the coming years.
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Is that a joke? The current lunatics in charge next door were created, fed and nurtured by the Pakistan army/ISI and probably with the semi or full blessing of the USA. Pakistan army is basically a rent army. USA has been renting them for decades and looks like China will be renting them for the coming years.
Precisely what I wrote to my family when the US went in...
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Disturbing... both BBC and independent sources, and now even the NYT in its usual twisted-acknowledgement way, state that some if not most of the dead at Kabul airport were not from the ISIS-K bombers, but from Americans and their proxies shooting at the crowd after the explosions.

https://twitter.com/SecKermani/statu...17279859224579
https://twitter.com/paykhar/status/1431572890521120770
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/28/w...acuations.html
So now the NYT makes it clear: Not only did the U.S. kill an innocent family of 10 (including 7 children) in its strike near the Kabul airport, but the driver worked for a US charity and was a candidate for resettlement to the US.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/10/w...stan-isis.html (paywalled)

Non-paywalled summary: https://www.france24.com/en/live-new...aid-worker-nyt


The tragedy of the US drone killings fueled by flaky intercepts, scaled up under Obama, continues to the bitter end in the Afghanistan debacle.
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The tragedy of the US drone killings fueled by flaky intercepts, scaled up under Obama, continues to the bitter end in the Afghanistan debacle.
The tragedy is undeniable and unfortunately hours after the event it was clear that something's not right. I didn't even imagine it would be such an intelligence blunder.

To me, the much bigger question is the intentional dehumanizing achieved with drone attacks. A few cadets with joysticks sitting behind computer screens and using terms such as "civcas" (killing innocent civilians) means that mistakes are much easier to make and creates much more "trigger happy" operators.

And yes, words MATTER. "I killed an innocent child" is much different than "I had a CIVCAS incident"
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So now the NYT makes it clear: Not only did the U.S. kill an innocent family of 10 (including 7 children) in its strike near the Kabul airport, but the driver worked for a US charity and was a candidate for resettlement to the US.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/10/w...stan-isis.html (paywalled)

Non-paywalled summary: https://www.france24.com/en/live-new...aid-worker-nyt


The tragedy of the US drone killings fueled by flaky intercepts, scaled up under Obama Trump, continues to the bitter end in the Afghanistan debacle.
ftfy, Trump was a big drone fan.
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ftfy, Trump was a big drone fan.
Not without the Obama administration unleashing the monster with that typical Democrat overconfidence in technology to do moral work (then again, slushing in election money from tech will do that to you):

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https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...trikes/511454/
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Not without the Obama administration unleashing the monster with that typical Democrat overconfidence in technology to do moral work (then again, slushing in election money from tech will do that to you):
True, and yet it's not like the GOP can claim any moral high ground here either. Trump was using drones left, right and center and sometimes even more recklessly. This doesn't justify the Dems, my point is that what matters more is not the party denomination, but the actual moral compass of the commander in chief.
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True, and yet it's not like the GOP can claim any moral high ground here either.
I see nobody try anything to that end. Only marton's attempting to whitewash Obama, his saint he seems to think is incapable of doing anything wrong or bad.
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Old 13.09.2021, 11:42
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Re: Afghanistan: misplaced trust in USA evident?

I would like to present to you the new head of the Afghanistan central bank!

He has promised a strict fiscal policy and apparently is a very persuasive negotiator. His closest advisor, Mr. Kalashnikov takes care of the details in a fast and efficient manner.





https://nayatez.com/taliban-afghanis...-rifle-laptop/
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I would like to present to you the new head of the Afghanistan central bank!

He has promised a strict fiscal policy and apparently is a very persuasive negotiator. His closest advisor, Mr. Kalashnikov takes care of the details in a fast and efficient manner.





https://nayatez.com/taliban-afghanis...-rifle-laptop/
Haji Mohammad Idris was the CFO of the Taliban during the US/NATO occupation. He has no training in Western finance but the Taliban did well enough financially when in the "opposition". Now, since the US and its sycophants have confiscated the Afghan central bank money, have already decided to refuse loans, and are on a path to sanction-sanction-sanction (i.e. the usual starvation warfare), he is just as much the man for the task. Nothing much will change as far as the Taliban are concerned. He might want to learn some Chinese, though.

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-p...ws-2021-08-23/

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Re: Afghanistan: misplaced trust in USA evident?

As for where the money from the invasion and occupation of Afghanistan went, Farah Stockman has a frank piece (misleadingly titled to refer to the whole "war on terror" but such is the NYT nowadays):

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Look under the hood of the “good war,” and this is what you see. Afghanistan was supposed to be an honorable war to neutralize terrorists and rescue girls from the Taliban. It was supposed to be a war that we woulda coulda shoulda won, had it not been for the distraction of Iraq, and the hopeless corruption of the Afghan government. But let’s get real. Corruption wasn’t a design flaw in the war. It was a design feature. We didn’t topple the Taliban. We paid warlords bags of cash to do it.
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The war proved enormously lucrative for many Americans and Europeans, too. One 2008 study estimated that some 40 percent of the money allocated to Afghanistan actually went back to donor countries in corporate profits and consultant salaries. Only about 12 percent of U.S. reconstruction assistance given to Afghanistan between 2002 and 2021 actually went to the Afghan government. Much of the rest went to companies like the Louis Berger Group, a New Jersey-based construction firm that got a $1.4 billion contract to build schools, clinics and roads. Even after it got caught bribing officials and systematically overbilling taxpayers, the contracts kept coming.
“It’s a bugbear of mine that Afghan corruption is so frequently cited as an explanation (as well as an excuse) for Western failure in Afghanistan,” Jonathan Goodhand, a professor in Conflict and Development Studies at SOAS University of London, wrote me in an email. Americans “point the finger at Afghans, whilst ignoring their role in both fueling and benefiting from the patronage pump.”
Who won the war on terror? American defense contractors, many of which were politically connected companies that had donated to George W. Bush’s presidential campaign, according to the Center for Public Integrity, a nonprofit that has been tracking spending in a series of reports called the Windfalls of War. One firm hired to help advise Iraqi ministries had a single employee — the husband of a deputy assistant secretary of defense.
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Imagine what ordinary Afghans might have done if they had been able to use that money for long-term projects planned and executed at their own pace. But alas, policymakers in Washington rushed to push cash out the door, since money spent was one of the few measurable metrics of success.
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None of this is to say that the Afghan people don’t deserve support, even now. They do. But far more can be achieved by spending far less in a more thoughtful way.




https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/13/o...html(paywalled)


That also explains why the apparent Afghan economy, by financial (IMF) measures, will now crash badly. But the real economy will be more or less the same, except for filling a few pockets in the provinces in a way that always dwarved the amount being fuelled back into connected pockets in the US anyway.
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Re: Afghanistan: misplaced trust in USA evident?

Those no-bid contracts in the early 2000s were an open secret.

Nobody really complained because I assume everybody who would complain was in it, too, somehow.

It was just another looting of the tax-payer in the US and elsewhere, with a "few" casualties among the native population due to the war - very well organized, though (the looting, not the war, of course).

It's testament to the stupidity of the voters in the US (and elsewhere) that they kept re-electing the same leaders who openly robbed them again and again.
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I missed all the fun, but let me keep it simple! Indirectly or directly...

USA = Taliban = ISIS = Pakistan ISI

Everything else is just window dressing.
ISIS claims to have killed a number of Taliban this month in Afghanistan who they describe as 'the Taliban apostate militia.'
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Re: Afghanistan: misplaced trust in USA evident?

Recently (in German):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MuphKEjgXc

Mountainbike tours would be dope there, though absolutely brutal on the gear, no doubt.
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So now the NYT makes it clear: Not only did the U.S. kill an innocent family of 10 (including 7 children) in its strike near the Kabul airport, but the driver worked for a US charity and was a candidate for resettlement to the US.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/10/w...stan-isis.html (paywalled)

Non-paywalled summary: https://www.france24.com/en/live-new...aid-worker-nyt

The tragedy of the US drone killings fueled by flaky intercepts, scaled up under Obama, continues to the bitter end in the Afghanistan debacle.
And the comedy of errors grows: Now the military admit that they never had any idea whether and where there was a safehouse to bomb when they killed this family of 10 in the waning days of Vietxit, Part II.


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General Said would not discuss the underlying information that led military analysts to focus on the safe house — and even dispatch six Reaper drones to monitor it — other than to say, “It was not faulty intelligence; it was just not specific.” A second U.S. military official confirmed that the available intelligence on the location was not precise enough.Nearly everything senior defense officials asserted in the hours, then days and weeks, after the drone strike has turned out to be false. ...
Mr. Ahmadi’s only connection to the terrorist group appeared to be a fleeting and innocuous interaction with people in what the military believed was an ISIS safe house in Kabul.But now Pentagon officials say that judgment was also mistaken, after an investigation by The New York Times that the safe house’s location was actually the residence of Mr. Ahmadi’s boss, who American military officials also say has no ties to ISIS.
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General Said found no violations of law and did not recommend any disciplinary action. He said a series of assumptions, made over the course of eight hours as U.S. officials tracked the white Toyota Corolla through Kabul, caused what he called “confirmation bias,” leading to the drone strike.
Not kidding you.



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So now the NYT makes it clear: Not only did the U.S. kill an innocent family of 10 (including 7 children) in its strike near the Kabul airport, but the driver worked for a US charity and was a candidate for resettlement to the US.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/10/w...stan-isis.html (paywalled)

Non-paywalled summary: https://www.france24.com/en/live-new...aid-worker-nyt


The tragedy of the US drone killings fueled by flaky intercepts, scaled up under Obama, continues to the bitter end in the Afghanistan debacle.
The aid agencies are forecasting a much greater tragedy with over 22 million [civilians] forecast to be at risk of dying of starvation this winter as the Taliban fail to run their country.
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The aid agencies are forecasting a much greater tragedy with over 22 million [civilians] forecast to be at risk of dying of starvation this winter as the Taliban fail to run their country.
So, 22M fewer refugees then!

Should please the UK!

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