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These military capabilities versus the extremists have much more to do with religion than anything else.
The militant fanatics are of the Sunni faith or linked to it whereas Iran is of the Shiʿi faith, Israel of course is not Islamic.

Afghanistan's official faith is also Sunni.
Maybe. But also this has lots to do with corruption in the so called central government, with the inability and unwillingness to build proper military and law enforecement institutions or paying these guys decent salaries.
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Old 15.08.2021, 13:32
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Maybe. But also this has lots to do with corruption in the so called central government, with the inability and unwillingness to build proper military and law enforecement institutions or paying these guys decent salaries.
And this is somehow different in Iran
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Old 15.08.2021, 13:34
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And this is somehow different in Iran
You don't think Iran has strong military and law enforcement institutions?
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Old 15.08.2021, 13:36
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There are so many layers of cruelty regarding the Taliban takeover but one that at the moment sticks in my mind is those poor souls who have fought together with the US and UK in the hope of keeping their country "free" and will now be most probably killed by the Taliban for their treason.
The US have offered them refugee status in Albania and Kosovo... Which will further increase tensions on the Balkans. Killing 2 birds with one stone.
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Old 15.08.2021, 13:44
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You don't think Iran has strong military and law enforcement institutions?
I think Iran is not less corrupt than the surrounding countries and according to google they pay their soldiers less than Iraq pays theirs; so also low wages.

I am sure they are successful against Sunni extremists; how they would fare against Shi'i is not known.
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Re: Afghanistan: misplaced trust in USA evident?

The Americans decided to stick their nose into the mess by creating and arming the Taliban against the commies. Now they went in all guns blazing after 9|11.
No matter what all the clap trap about Islam, Sunni , Shia they have a duty of care to the Afghanistan people that supported the Americans for the last 20 years. Biden has blood on his hands, he is the Commander in Chief, anybody that provided any service to the Americans will be slaughtered.

If the Americans had to leave 15000 soldiers there for the next 30 years that is the price of sticking their nose into business that is not theirs.
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The Americans decided to stick their nose into the mess by creating and arming the Taliban against the commies. Now they went in all guns blazing after 9|11.
No matter what all the clap trap about Islam, Sunni , Shia they have a duty of care to the Afghanistan people that supported the Americans for the last 20 years. Biden has blood on his hands, he is the Commander in Chief, anybody that provided any service to the Americans will be slaughtered.

If the Americans had to leave 15000 soldiers there for the next 30 years that is the price of sticking their nose into business that is not theirs.
Too bad the Orange Unmentionable wasn't re-elected. Wonder who you would blame if he still was CIC? It's a (typical) American mess but shaming Biden isn't going to get the rest of his predecessors off the hook
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Old 15.08.2021, 14:21
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Re: Afghanistan: misplaced trust in USA evident?

Religion of Peace, nothing to worry about.
The way the Taliban have taken power, basically as quick at their pickups can carry them, shows they are the current natural successors.

Hopefully Iran and Pakistan can now help their neighbours build a decent country.
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Old 15.08.2021, 14:21
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The Germans have turned down an American offer for the military to accompany the US military in order to evacuate German citizens in Kabul. The US will be out within 24 hours, according to CBS News. The Germans decided to send the Luftwaffe "on Monday" according to DW. (We can't possibly fly on the weekend...) I wonder at what point the Taliban will say, "Hey, this plane ain't leaving until you pay up."
Apparently all German embassy personnel and police are already at the airport, reports German press. Outbound flight might happen today still.
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Have you ever been in Iran? Because this statement from you shows a fundamental lack of understanding of the way the country operates. It is SIGNIFICANTLY less corrupt than any of the surrounding countries and happens to have functioning institutions especially the ones related to enforcing the clerical regime and the military. Traffic police is a different matter though
Can confirm this, have been there for some mountaineering few years ago. Amazingly well-run country for the region, everybody I've met randomly spoke english well and were super friendly, even road signs are all farsi & english. Definitely up a notch or two compared to the rest of countries around.

Don't forget they not only have different branch of islam, but they are not arabs but persians - even historically very educated & highly skilled nation.
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Old 15.08.2021, 14:24
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Re: Afghanistan: misplaced trust in USA evident?

If anyone is into stock pilling, now is the time to get your heroin before the Taliban start work on destroying those poppy fields.
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The US have offered them refugee status in Albania and Kosovo... Which will further increase tensions on the Balkans. Killing 2 birds with one stone.
What?
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Come on, exporting opium was one of the main sources of income for the previous Taliban "Emirate". Also kills the infidels.
In 2000, pre-invasion, the Taliban implemented a poppy production ban, and that year they grew about 7,000 hectares.
In 2020, Afghanistan grew 160,000 hectares.
It’s all here and in subsequent yearly reports.
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In 2000, pre-invasion, the Taliban implemented a poppy production ban, and that year they grew about 7,000 hectares.
In 2020, Afghanistan grew 160,000 hectares.
It’s all here and in subsequent yearly reports.
I stand corrected, thanks.
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I stand corrected, thanks.
Well they made decent money before 2000, so I’m only guessing they’ll implement the ban again immediately, they may want milk it for a while.
That said, I guess they are less moderate now so may go for it immediately.
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What?
In desperation, U.S. scours for countries willing to house Afghan refugees

Albania ready to accept Afghan refugees, says PM Rama
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Well they made decent money before 2000, so I’m only guessing they’ll implement the ban again immediately, they may want milk it for a while.
That said, I guess they are less moderate now so may go for it immediately.
It seems the expansion of poppy fields occurred mainly in areas under the Taliban control.

https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/tr...y-7334791.html
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"History repeats itself, first as tragedy, then as farce."

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This is a gross oversimplification. Iran supports the Shia Hezbollah and Iraqi militias, but it also supports the Sunni Syrian militias which target Israel and prop up Assad, it also works with Sunni militants in Yemen who target Saudi, Quds forces are also supporting the Sunni militants in the Palestinian Territories. Iran is much more interested in creating problems around Israel and it happens to be that there's enough Shia around to oblige. But when there isn't, it happily works with Sunni. The Mullahs are not as dogmatic as they look.

Have you ever been in Iran? Because this statement from you shows a fundamental lack of understanding of the way the country operates. It is SIGNIFICANTLY less corrupt than any of the surrounding countries and happens to have functioning institutions especially the ones related to enforcing the clerical regime and the military. Traffic police is a different matter though
According to https://tradingeconomics.com/ Iran scored 25 points in their corruption index; the scores range from 0:highly corrupt to 100:clean.

Certainly, this site does not support your claim Iran is SIGNIFICANTLY less corrupt than any of the surrounding countries;

Afghanistan 19
Armenia 49
Azerbaijan 30
Iraq 21
Kuwait 42
Pakistan 31
Turkmenistan 19
Turkey 40

Maybe you have another source?
https://www.worlddata.info/corruption.php gives similar results to the tradingeconomics site.
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Re: Afghanistan: misplaced trust in USA evident?

The locals in Kabul have started preparations for the arrival of the Talibans

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