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Religion of Peace, nothing to worry about.
The way the Taliban have taken power, basically as quick at their pickups can carry them, shows they are the current natural successors.

Hopefully Iran and Pakistan can now help their neighbours build a decent country.
hope springs eternal – wonder why you’re piling yours on these specific neighbours?
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hope springs eternal – wonder why you’re piling yours on these specific neighbours?
To be honest, I don’t really care.
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the US has many, many failures, one of which is evolving in Afghanistan as we speak. However, I'd chose the US over Russia or China to fill the vacuum and you'd be naive to think that this won't happen
Not naive enough to think the US have any interest in democracy in Middle East

War Inc. continues to do great business year and decade after another with zero interest in right/wrong
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To be honest, I don’t really care.
Fair enough. Even fairer that you don't claim sarcasm
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The sad thing is, it's not like Biden didn't have other options, he just took such a radical, binary decision and I can't help but think that he and his administration didn't think this through and are now shocked by the fallout.
In his WH press conference he mentions how pretty much every predecessor tried to pull the troops out, but each time it was "you can't, not yet, the costs for the Afghani would be too big".

So Biden may be acting along the following line
"Lieber ein Ende mit Schrecken als ein Schrecken ohne Ende"
which translates to something like
"rather an end with horror than horror without end"

Nonetheless it's Biden who pulls the troops out. It's his order and he who will have to take the blame for it.
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the US has many, many failures, one of which is evolving in Afghanistan as we speak. However, I'd chose the US over Russia or China to fill the vacuum and you'd be naive to think that this won't happen
A complete nonsequitur.

There's no doubt about the US aggressiveness and murderousness, and utter disregard for human life and suffering. Just ask the North Koreans, MacArthur boasted about killing something like 20% of the population and not leaving two stones attached to each other. Even dams were used as weapons against the population.

Whether others are worse is irrelevant.
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Re: Afghanistan: misplaced trust in USA evident?

Now this does surprise me! I thought he’d be staking out his lamppost

"The Afghan president, Ashraf Ghani, has, by all accounts so far, fled the country earlier today."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/li...in-north-falls
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Just ask the North Koreans, MacArthur boasted about killing something like 20% of the population and not leaving two stones attached to each other. Even dams were used as weapons against the population.
Sorry, your reference to MacCarthur, even if it was true (and I just don't know whether he said and did those things) is irrelevant. You cannot compare a figure from WWII with a current one; At the time of MacCarthur, Stalin killed millions of his own people and the Chinese were just about to embark on a mass murdering project of their own. So yes, the Americans are not perfect, but the Russians and the Chinese are much worse.
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Old 15.08.2021, 18:01
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Re: Afghanistan: misplaced trust in USA evident?

There is big chance Grandpa Jo doesn't really understand the situation. I mean this is what he said.

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Old 15.08.2021, 18:07
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Sorry, your reference to MacCarthur, even if it was true (and I just don't know whether he said and did those things) is irrelevant. You cannot compare a figure from WWII with a current one; At the time of MacCarthur, Stalin killed millions of his own people and the Chinese were just about to embark on a mass murdering project of their own. So yes, the Americans are not perfect, but the Russians and the Chinese are much worse.
Again, those red herrings are irrelevant. Stalin and Mao are labeled devils by the US, the US claim to be the good ones, as do you. By your very own definition you're trying to compare apples to rocks.

What's the ratio of people killed in Iraq during and shortly after the US invasion?
5-10k US troops vs 500k-1000k Iraqi soldiers and civilians?

When the US levied their sanctions on Iraq in the early '90ies, according to one estimate that would kill up to 500k Iraqi children, predominantly due to lack of pharmaceuticals, baby nutrition, and clean water (IIRC). Asked if this price is worth it, Madeline Albright replied with "yes, that's a price we're willing to pay".

Notice the wording, as if it were US children getting killed.
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Sorry, your reference to MacCarthur, even if it was true (and I just don't know whether he said and did those things) is irrelevant. You cannot compare a figure from WWII with a current one...
Glad to help:
The Korean War was not in World War II, it started in 1950. Just sayin'.
And you can inform yourself easily, even using mainstream news or other pro-US propaganda. For instance:
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/th...-history-20445
https://www.bbc.co.uk/history/worldw...a_usa_01.shtml
Enjoy.
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Old 15.08.2021, 18:26
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Stalin and Mao are labeled devils by the US, the US claim to be the good ones, as do you.
Nope, I did not say or imply that in any way, read more carefully.

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the US has many, many failures, one of which is evolving in Afghanistan as we speak. However, I'd chose the US over Russia or China to fill the vacuum and you'd be naive to think that this won't happen
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The Korean War was not in World War II, it started in 1950. Just sayin'.
Enjoy.
Fair. My point was not to use a 1950s figure, use todays moral standards, issue judgements and project them on current leaders. Such populist comparisons are never useful
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There is big chance Grandpa Jo doesn't really understand the situation. I mean this is what he said.
Why do you and your friends have to take your anti-Biden, anti-Merkel populist shit to each and every thread?
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Why do you and your friends have to take your anti-Biden, anti-Merkel populist shit to each and every thread?
Should we talk about Trump instead?
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Why do you and your friends have to take your anti-Biden, anti-Merkel populist shit to each and every thread?
You groaned me for pointing out that Germany's current defense minister is a Merkel acolyte - her previous defense minister was also shit. If you have a problem with the truth you're the problem.
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Should we talk about Trump?
Why not? What's your take on how he would have classified his and preceding administrations full and utter failure regarding Afghanistan?
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Again, those red herrings are irrelevant. Stalin and Mao are labeled devils by the US, the US claim to be the good ones, as do you. By your very own definition you're trying to compare apples to rocks.
Please take a trip to Venezuela , China or North Korea or listen to the countless accounts of life under a communist dictator. I agree with much of what you write so please educate yourself on this.

Maybe start here :
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Why not? What's your take on how he would have classified his and preceding administrations full and utter failure regarding Afghanistan?
He would have lied and said he was doing a great job.
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According to https://tradingeconomics.com/ Iran scored 25 points in their corruption index; the scores range from 0:highly corrupt to 100:clean.

Certainly, this site does not support your claim Iran is SIGNIFICANTLY less corrupt than any of the surrounding countries;

Afghanistan 19
Armenia 49
Azerbaijan 30
Iraq 21
Kuwait 42
Pakistan 31
Turkmenistan 19
Turkey 40

Maybe you have another source?
https://www.worlddata.info/corruption.php gives similar results to the tradingeconomics site.
Yes, it seems that Iran is not so well practised when it comes to bribing these self appointed corruption rating agencies in order to get an improved ranking.
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Allegedly gunfire etc by the airport. This could turn nasty as the US are not going to risk any hostage type situation.
I’ll check Flightradar24 for where call sign’B-52’ is.
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Nope, I did not say or imply that in any way, read more carefully.
It's your comparison, of course you imply that.
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Fair. My point was not to use a 1950s figure, use todays moral standards, issue judgements and project them on current leaders. Such populist comparisons are never useful
I generally agree with that.

However, the conclusion is that the Germans should no longer be tarnished by, and blamed for, their Nazi history. This is also applying today's moral standards to past atrocities.

Is that what you're saying? Or is it something different?
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Please take a trip to Venezuela , China or North Korea or listen to the countless accounts of life under a communist dictator.
And? How does that justify any of the US atrocities?
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