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Old 16.08.2021, 10:29
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I reckon after the me too movement, they will have recognisd that women are to be respected and will push hard for women's rights and become a beacon for feminism.
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I reckon after the me too movement, they will have recognisd that women are to be respected and will push hard for women's rights and become a beacon for feminism.
Well played.

I love the old narrative of the war under W that it was to topple the Taliban regime and liberate Afghan women from their burqas, we were being asked to believe that the U.S. marines were actually on a feminist mission
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I wonder how well the Taliban will actually run Afghanistan?

In recent years it was a relatively successful country with lots of new buildings, commercial activity, regular food supplies, and electricity supply and so.

If the Taliban turn the clock back 2,000 years then it will lead to a lot of unhappiness amongst the citizenry that will make the regime ever more brutal.

Maybe they will learn a lesson from the Iran theocracy that runs relatively well.
Infinitely better, of course.
Just consider that the total cost of the Afghanistan war to the US is estimated at 2.2 trillion. 1 trillion of direct costs and 1 trillion for veterans, bigger war-related US army spending and additional debt cost.
This is half of what the Biden infrastructure plan is.

https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/...stan-2001-2021
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Old 16.08.2021, 11:12
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Re: Afghanistan: misplaced trust in USA evident?

Too bad John Mccain, is dead, as I really wish him, Liz Chaney, Bill Kristol and other hardcore neocons who were for an endless war should be tried for war crimes.

American service members killed in Afghanistan through April 21: 2,448.

U.S. contractors: 3,846.

Afghan national military and police: 66,000.

Other allied service members, including from other NATO member states: 1,144.

Afghan civilians: 47,245.

This really is the biggest crimes of the 21st century and these idiots will get away scot-free. They should be presented to the Taliban in an Afghan soccer stadium right now
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Apocalyptic scenes at the airport in Kabul... holy moly. https://www.theguardian.com/world/li...e-news-updates
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Apocalyptic scenes at the airport in Kabul... holy moly. https://www.theguardian.com/world/li...e-news-updates
"This is not Saigon"

I can hardly believe this: 20 years later and everything is back to square one.

Well, OK, this time China (and Russia) are giving it a try, again.

It truly is the "Graveyard of Empires".
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Old 16.08.2021, 11:30
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Too bad John Mccain, is dead, as I really wish him, Liz Chaney, Bill Kristol and other hardcore neocons who were for an endless war should be tried for war crimes.

American service members killed in Afghanistan through April 21: 2,448.

U.S. contractors: 3,846.

Afghan national military and police: 66,000.

Other allied service members, including from other NATO member states: 1,144.

Afghan civilians: 47,245.

This really is the biggest crimes of the 21st century and these idiots will get away scot-free. They should be presented to the Taliban in an Afghan soccer stadium right now
And it is OK for you that, according to your numbers, the Taliban murdered over 70,000 people and should not be punished
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What a load of waffley and awkward nonsense. Show us some tangible evidence of you really helping people, otherwise it's as much an armchair analysis/philosophising exercise as anyone else's posts. If an Afghan refugee has managed to find asylum in Switzerland and is 'in the supermarket queue in front of us' then we can already consider that they have been helped immeasurably.



Will you do us all a huge favour and tell us which articles are true and false? Maybe the news would be better if we can filter it through you first so we know what is real and what isn't.
Hey Chuff,

I respect your right to an opinion and wish you endless time wasting on this subject without realistically making any difference to Afghans lives, peace.
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Old 16.08.2021, 11:46
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I wonder how well the Taliban will actually run Afghanistan?

In recent years it was a relatively successful country with lots of new buildings, commercial activity, regular food supplies, and electricity supply and so.

If the Taliban turn the clock back 2,000 years then it will lead to a lot of unhappiness amongst the citizenry that will make the regime ever more brutal.

Maybe they will learn a lesson from the Iran theocracy that runs relatively well.
You are projecting again. 20 years of Afghan liberation and the majority of people still see the west as an occupying force. They let the Taliban enter with no single shot fired they even gifted them the latest American weapons given for their protection. Clearly, the majority of people approve the Taliban rule, who are you to say that is wrong? We tried and failed.

It took 3 years for the Taliban to take over after the Soviet forces left and only 3 weeks after the American forces did.
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"This is not Saigon"

I can hardly believe this: 20 years later and everything is back to square one.

Well, OK, this time China (and Russia) are giving it a try, again.

It truly is the "Graveyard of Empires".
This is the key point here. China flexing her muscles, the Taliban were in China not long ago. Surely a pipeline across the country to connect the Gulf with China can't be far off. I would be nervous if I lived in Taiwan right now.

The West meanwhile is at war with itself. Divided, indebted, self-obsessed and weak. The Roman Empire ended in rather a similar way.
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Old 16.08.2021, 12:05
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Clearly, the majority of people approve the Taliban rule, who are you to say that is wrong?
99% actually support Sharia law and yet dumbasses want to bring these people to Europe



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And it is OK for you that, according to your numbers, the Taliban murdered over 70,000 people and should not be punished
Taliban did not attack the US. There were other ways to root out Osama.
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Hey Chuff,

I respect your right to an opinion and wish you endless time wasting on this subject without realistically making any difference to Afghans lives, peace.
Unlike you, I have no delusions about the difference I make to Afghan lives by posting opinion on EF. I have zero desire to make any specific 'personal difference' to their lives and would never pretend otherwise.

But please, do continue with your moral posturing.
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Old 16.08.2021, 14:11
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Re: Afghanistan: misplaced trust in USA evident?

I skim read your link. These percentages are for Muslims who believe sharia law comes from God himself.
This is not the same (and they clearly state this) as wanting men on earth to literally interpret this with, for example, actually cutting off thieves hands and so on.

So basically, it's the same as Christians saying that they believe in the stories in the bible but they don't actually want to physically carry out the cruel and barbaric punishments described in it for crimes committed by their fellow men.
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I skim read your link. These percentages are for Muslims who believe sharia law comes from God himself.
Where is that stated in the link or did you just invent that (based on the fact that you groaned a survey's result) ?


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The survey involved a total of more than 38,000 face-to-face interviews in 80-plus languages. It covered Muslims in 39 countries, which are divided into six regions in this report – Southern and Eastern Europe (Russia and the Balkans), Central Asia, Southeast Asia, South Asia, the Middle East and North Africa, and sub-Saharan Africa.
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So basically, it's the same as Christians saying that they believe in the stories in the bible but they don't actually want to physically carry out the cruel and barbaric punishments described in it for crimes committed by their fellow men.
Actually not, this is completely opposite - the so called greatest commandment is about loving your "neighbour". However, not all the Christians are yet fully converted :-)
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Where is that stated in the link or did you just invent that (based on the fact that you groaned a survey's result) ?
No - I groaned your misunderstanding of it.

The bible has similar laws und punishments and although Christian believers may believe that the words in the bible are the words of god (in a similar way as Muslims interpret the Koran), they don't actually want courts to punish in the same way*

*I suspect some U.S. fundamentalist Christians would be happy for these punishments to be acted upon.

Stoning to death for blasphemy anyone?
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Old 16.08.2021, 14:43
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Actually not, this is completely opposite - the so called greatest commandment is about loving your "neighbour". However, not all the Christians are yet fully converted :-)
Similar in the Koran
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Re: Afghanistan: misplaced trust in USA evident?

Heartbreaking scenes at Kabul airport of people surrounding military cargo plane and running along trying to enter while some of them hang onto the wheels.

An Apache helicopter flies around them to make them go away so plane can take off.

The C-5 finally is in the air and bodies start to fall from the air.
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No - I groaned your misunderstanding of it.
So it doesn't state anywhere in the link that the Muslims polled are only those "who believe sharia law comes from God himself." - you admit you invented that entirely. Classic.
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