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However sh*t*% EU, it still works as a tool to avoid Thucydides's Trap, and I just hope that it will be able to evolve into something more democratic. But in a world where predominant powers are Anglo-Saxon globalist-liberal oligarchy and China's One-party capitalism empowering people to express their will is not a primary goal for most.
As long as people are well-off no one would support a war. The green deal, if it goes through, will make everyone poorer and thus enable wars within Europe. You are right about the actors, Germany seems to be the main culprit once again. After all the European policy is determined by the likes of merkel and von der leyen.
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As long as people are well-off no one would support a war. The green deal, if it goes through, will make everyone poorer and thus enable wars within Europe. You are right about the actors, Germany seems to be the main culprit once again. After all the European policy is determined by the likes of merkel and von der leyen.
I think that with the increasing deadliness of weapons that all out wars are being replaced by proxy wars.

And there are plenty of proxy wars going on right now.

The green deal will kill millions of jobs, open the gap between haves and have nots, and lead to political instability.
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I think the EU is doomed and we should not expect much from it ....

At the very beginning the idea was purely economical...with Schumann , they even called it the union for coal and community

and at the very beginning it was Walter Hallstein, interesting person to put foundations of the EU (eec)

The idea to have a wonderful union, united states of europe I think it's just perfect and they even gave us some taste of it but that was never the goal.

There's a very well documented book not really about the EU but it explaines the factors who are behind it .. Tower of Basel - Adam LeBor And I dont recommend really books like that because once you know more the harder life is
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Discipline has failed - no one expected the Southerners to keep discipline - but with the advent of Merkel discipline also failed in the North :
  • Greek crisis and failure to hold them to account for fraud on entering Euro
  • Migrant crisis - failure to uphold Dublin regulations
  • Creation of mutualised debt across the EU
  • Politicisation of ECB
  • Installation of failed crony scandal ridden politicians in most powerful institutions - von der Leyen & Lagarde
This is something they want us to believe.. like "oh those lazy ones" .. "oh we from the north we're paying for them to do siesta" but i really think it's just to mask the real issue and create a hate among us ..

Greek crisis - their failure? hmm , if you look at how it happened you'll see ..Goldman Sachs working for the Greek government to mask the true extent of its deficit with the help of a derivatives deal all against the EU Maastricht deficit rules. But, who was at the time one of the high ranked guys at Goldman Sachs? Mario Draghi. He had a long carreer over there, only to come later and get to be President of the European Central Bank And a Prime Minister after ..

I can go on like this at everything that's been hapening.. since each situation has some really nasty story behind it but we're not even having the right to talk about it . (von der Leyen & Lagarde) I can develop on them as well
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As long as people are well-off no one would support a war. The green deal, if it goes through, will make everyone poorer and thus enable wars within Europe. You are right about the actors, Germany seems to be the main culprit once again. After all the European policy is determined by the likes of merkel and von der leyen.
1. "well-off" is relative, check what led to the 1st WW, involved countries and people were extremely well-off, but they still started a war that destroyed Europe. Not because they were thinking they are not well, but because they were thinking they deserve even more.
2. and no, I do not think Germany is main culprit, I think at the moment most of the players are still behaving quite responsible, the only one who went out and said "it is not my game" is UK (but I do not think they are culprit for anything).
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As long as people are well-off no one would support a war. The green deal, if it goes through, will make everyone poorer and thus enable wars within Europe. You are right about the actors, Germany seems to be the main culprit once again. After all the European policy is determined by the likes of merkel and von der leyen.
I don't know where the EU is headed. But Ursula is heading to Prague. What gives?
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Re: Where is EU headed?

I hope she learned a lesson when dealing with these people eastern than Frankfurt

(some of them are disgusting, according to a person who should now better about politics, stereotypes and the likes)
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Old 16.07.2021, 18:01
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I don't know where the EU is headed. But Ursula is heading to Prague. What gives?
I hope she gets a hearty welcome there and that she enjoys her visit
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Old 16.07.2021, 18:24
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Greek crisis - their failure? hmm , if you look at how it happened you'll see ..Goldman Sachs working for the Greek government to mask the true extent of its deficit with the help of a derivatives deal all against the EU Maastricht deficit rules. But, who was at the time one of the high ranked guys at Goldman Sachs? Mario Draghi. He had a long carreer over there, only to come later and get to be President of the European Central Bank And a Prime Minister after ..
Hey I agree with you entirely - Goldman should have been the first company to have had a 100bn USD fine for participating in that fraud. Also absolutely agree that the elite Eurocrats are rotten to the core - time for a little direct democracy.
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Switzerland invests a lot of money in education, the US not. Why? Why does it not make sense for the US to systematically invest a lot of money there? because even with the best education, your working and financial conditions are dictated by which alumni one belongs?
In relation to GDP the US spend some 20% more than CH, it should be roughly the same in absolute terms per capita. CH spends just about the OECD average of 5.2% vs the US 6.2%.

Of course the devil may be in the detail, but perhaps not in the way one might immediately suspect. Some groups are spent on significantly less than others, no doubt, but that applies to CH as well.
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Hey I agree with you entirely - Goldman should have been the first company to have had a 100bn USD fine for participating in that fraud. Also absolutely agree that the elite Eurocrats are rotten to the core - time for a little direct democracy.
Nobody in power had any kind of interest in prosecuting Draghi or GS as that would have implied that the EU hadn't done their job either.

As Italy's prime minister ... after 40 Italian governments in 65 years, or some such, he's highly unlikely to cause much damage.
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Old 17.07.2021, 01:36
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Nobody in power had any kind of interest in prosecuting Draghi or GS as that would have implied that the EU hadn't done their job either.

As Italy's prime minister ... after 40 Italian governments in 65 years, or some such, he's highly unlikely to cause much damage.
Well... there's little doubt the US regulators were also shit before the GFC so I think they had ample opportunity and incentive to prosecute GS - they didn't because he was one of their own elite.
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at Goldman Sachs? Mario Draghi. He had a long carreer over there, only to come later and get to be President of the European Central Bank And a Prime Minister after ..
I am an optimist and I see this as “he always acted in the best interest of his employer”. Let’s see how it plays out as Italian prime minister

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I can go on like this at everything that's been hapening.. since each situation has some really nasty story behind it but we're not even having the right to talk about it . (von der Leyen & Lagarde) I can develop on them as well
What did Lagarde do? I can see only big roles in her CV, she is a woman, and her skin color is the proof that big institutions are almost inclusive !
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I am an optimist and I see this as “he always acted in the best interest of his employer”. Let’s see how it plays out as Italian prime minister
He's unlikely to last long anyway, Italy had something like 40 different governments since after WW2.
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scrabblegray) Lagarde is a very particular case because of who her employers were or let's say she was a part of a very tiny circle and was brought to europe to act as a Minister of (agriculture and fishing),commerce,economy..

Not many people have heard how she was on a trial, which was considered even the biggest scandal of the state.. they were saying how that transfer of money was so criminal she was risking - jail , and of course after few years of trial .. she has been found guilty of negligence

What happened, she was the key person in a massive payout of taxpayers’ money to a controversial businessman (who became a ministser) Bernard Tapie. We're talking here 400 Million € out of the budget to a single person something just insane. Especially because the parties involved were a bank, adidas& businessman(politician) .. What's ridiculous is at the time when he was selling Adidas, the company was losing money and he tried to sell it for some 2Bill. that didnt happen and the sale happened for the same price but it was a bank who did the sale (Tapie accused the bank&state how they sold Adidas at lower price)

When she joined the ECB that was also full of controversy, since she overturned all the work done by different expert groups that have been working on certain projects for years and years... only, for one person to come ,create a tiny committee and all decisions are taken behind closed doors Even the digital Euro and the cashless soceity that's just about to be launched.

Concerning Ursula, I think some of you know the scandals involving her while ministerof defense, some huge unbelievable weird contracts, wasting money but above all, hiring as consultantspeoplefrom Accenture and McKinskey. (insane, knowing the conflict of interests and all that)
What is funny (to me) in both cases is how each time because they're women it was seen as a progress and everyone is clapping hands then, once they've done some crap the politicians who would criticise were labeled as far-right,conservatives witht the standard "oh you just cant accept a woman to be in such a spot" .
These are the mechanisms used today in everything therefore there's no more democracy since it's always a one way road. She was voted as the worst minister but actually that's not true. She was hired to do dirty work and she did it and no consequenceswhatsoever she got even a better and more important spot after.

What really I cantstand in the whole story is how Mr Von der Leyen is in the shadow but it's been a while how he has his own biotech business Orgenesis, specialised in cell and gene therapy working for Bancel's big business Mode Rna There's some more to all this but let's say how it's a bit too much of what's been going on.. and the worse: people think how we're still in the 80ties ..how a scandal if there's one will come up and then there can be huge resignations, stir, testimonies ,files in the press .. but no. Today everything is anyhow owned by these same group of billionaires, they're backing each other for everything, creating the illusion of how "oh yes loyal citizen you have your liberty and you can vote" but in reality it just doesnt make any difference since they're all in the same club.
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Don‘t worry as usual it‘s not worth reading…
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I am an optimist and I see this as “he always acted in the best interest of his employer”. Let’s see how it plays out as Italian prime minister



What did Lagarde do? I can see only big roles in her CV, she is a woman, and her skin color is the proof that big institutions are almost inclusive !
As per FairDinkum she was convicted of crimes but faced no punishment...

As to von der Leyen her children were employees of the same consultants she threw enormous sums of money at whilst German minister of defence. Without question the worst German minister of defence in post war history. Her political career has been pockmarked with her corruption from the very start.
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However sh*t*% EU, it still works as a tool to avoid Thucydides's Trap, and I just hope that it will be able to evolve into something more democratic. But in a world where predominant powers are Anglo-Saxon globalist-liberal oligarchy and China's One-party capitalism empowering people to express their will is not a primary goal for most.
we're second rate players now. next trap to avoid is US vs a rising China.

nuclear proliferation has helped to increase the cost of going to war.
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What really I cantstand in the whole story is how Mr Von der Leyen is in the shadow but it's been a while how he has his own biotech business Orgenesis, specialised in cell and gene therapy working for Bancel's big business Mode Rna There's some more to all this but let's say how it's a bit too much of what's been going on.. and the worse: people think how we're still in the 80ties ..how a scandal if there's one will come up and then there can be huge resignations, stir, testimonies ,files in the press .. but no. Today everything is anyhow owned by these same group of billionaires, they're backing each other for everything, creating the illusion of how "oh yes loyal citizen you have your liberty and you can vote" but in reality it just doesnt make any difference since they're all in the same club.
Any facts about the alleged conflict of interest or corruption here specifically? Genuine question. Not a fan of vdL, but what you post smells a bit like horseshit.
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I would like to lighten the burden on vdl: she is the byproduct of a rotten system, not the cause.

See the European technically working system of prediction for hydrogeological risk and emergency, and how blatantly the government of Germany ignored it.

Yes, Germany is a federal government, Merkel is the best democratic leader in the world, how can we blame her?

It is only 20 years that the Common Market is reality, she has been in power for the previous 15 years only, Germany had no scandal whatsoever that hinted at governance problem. Exception of some minor issues with VW, with Deutsche Bank, with Siemens ... even ze Germans are starting to recognize there is something smelly in their country!

Ps: disclaimer, I know that Transparency International and Corruption Index have 0% statistical value and they are no proof of anything ... but this article is quite an horrible picture of the perceived moral and economic leader of EU (and of Europe, sorry Jim if I dreamed of an Europe a tad bigger and more ambitious than a simple common market ... but it is exactly the dream they sold it to me exactly to accept the common market. So now I am a betrayed lover and I will fight tooth and nail to see a better outcome).
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