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Old 01.08.2021, 11:48
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Re: Russia today - rogue state, a thinly disguised Soviet Union, SPECTRE or what ?

Another thing I just might add to this...is how it is indeed funny when you look at it from a distance


So people are told now by the Clitonian camp how the Russians the Russians are the bad ones, they meddled with the elections and stupid americans voted Trump (because why on earth they wouldnt vote for the immaculate Hilaryyy and the Dems ???) not a single reason,right

And by this they tell you how the russians are the bad ones hating americans..

They dont tell you and bomb you every day with the info how for ex. those same Dems , Obama-Clinton-Biden trio, ..they have put Hunter Biden on the executive board of the biggest ukranian oil company , Burisma (hunter who btw has no understanding of business or energy biz) .

Burisma the oil comp. was in the hands of a huge olygarch that was in the governement at the time where the US had Victoria Nulland fix the Ukraina scenario (a personality that served for the Clintons the Busch etc)

Then if we look into the four-year-old Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative,the Patriot (MIM-104) and THAAD et le RIM-161 SM-3 together with "US Will Send Ukraine Another $250M in Weapons, Gear and Other Aid
The upcoming delivery will bring total counter-Russia aid to the Eastern European nation to $1.75 billion."
we can just dream how it is peace man, we want those russians to calm down.
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Old 01.08.2021, 11:51
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Well, Afghanistan to start with
and to finish with?
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Old 01.08.2021, 11:53
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Amazing the Ukrainians and Georgians managed to be offensive within their own territory.
Amazing Serbia managed to be offensive within its own territory.
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Old 01.08.2021, 12:05
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and to finish with?
Moldova (92), Chechnya (92), Georgia (2008), Ukraine...there's a few more, but you can google them yourself.
Irrelevant of the weird fetish among some about how Putin is a great mastermind, Russia is simply too weak to be a proper invading force (studying the Chechnya disaster is a masterpiece in incompetence). Having said that, they try to project power well beyond their "sphere of influence" (sub-Saharan Africa, Syria, etc.) but from the few verifiable reports that come out they seem to struggle to maintain a sustained on the ground advantage.

On top, it's no longer even news when Russian jets invade NATO skies in Eastern Europe around the Black Sea and usually Greek or even Italian jets are scrambled to politely escort them back.

All these provocations are nothing else, but a sign of an increasingly weak Russia which thrives on fear, provocation and hollow might.
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Old 01.08.2021, 12:06
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Is deciding to hold free elections an offensive action?
You mean shelling of innocencent people in Abkhazia on Aug 8 ? I see you have advanced view of how free election should be held.
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Old 01.08.2021, 12:07
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Are you Russian by any chance?
No, is it bad ? Or is it forbidden here to have non EF approved views ?
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Old 01.08.2021, 12:12
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Moldova (92), Chechnya (92), Georgia (2008), Ukraine...there's a few more, but you can google them yourself.
Irrelevant of the weird fetish among some about how Putin is a great mastermind, Russia is simply too weak to be a proper invading force (studying the Chechnya disaster is a masterpiece in incompetence). Having said that, they try to project power well beyond their "sphere of influence" (sub-Saharan Africa, Syria, etc.) but from the few verifiable reports that come out they seem to struggle to maintain a sustained on the ground advantage.

On top, it's no longer even news when Russian jets invade NATO skies in Eastern Europe around the Black Sea and usually Greek or even Italian jets are scrambled to politely escort them back.

All these provocations are nothing else, but a sign of an increasingly weak Russia which thrives on fear, provocation and hollow might.
haha Chechnya? LOL

Ask Hick whether or not they have rights to sort out issues at their own territory.
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Old 01.08.2021, 12:17
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haha Chechnya? LOL

Ask Hick whether or not they have rights to sort out issues at their own territory.
This is completely irrelevant to the fact that 1) they sent an invading force 2) they failed spectacularly, and continue to do so.

I also appreciate the extremely selective reading in which you take one example only (and you misinterpret it anyway) and ignore the rest.
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Old 01.08.2021, 12:17
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All these provocations are nothing else, but a sign of an increasingly weak Russia which thrives on fear, provocation and hollow might.
Try to look at its GDP, life expectancy and population size over last 20 years. Doesn't look weak to me.

Plus don't forget where that oil, gas and uranium coming from. Whoever has control of energy will never be in a weak position in our modern world.
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Old 01.08.2021, 12:22
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Plus don't forget where that oil and gas coming from. Whoever has control of energy will never be in a weak position in our modern world.
Russia is 100% extraction economy with no value add and a relatively poor sovereign wealth fund (vs. the Arab ones). Strip away oil / gas and you end up with an economy the size of Sweden.

Arabs are smarter - they've build huge sovereign wealth funds precisely to prepare them for a world in which oil is no longer as important as it is today. Is oil going to disappear? not in our lifetime. But will oil be less important? Certainly and its been happening for a long time, it will continue to do so.

Russia is not prepared, at all.
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Old 01.08.2021, 12:23
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800 military bases around the world and around Russia , but Russia wants war



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Old 01.08.2021, 12:27
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Russia is 100% extraction economy with no value add and a relatively poor sovereign wealth fund (vs. the Arab ones). Strip away oil / gas and you end up with an economy the size of Sweden.

Arabs are smarter - they've build huge sovereign wealth funds precisely to prepare them for a world in which oil is no longer as important as it is today. Is oil going to disappear? not in our lifetime. But will oil be less important? Certainly and its been happening for a long time, it will continue to do so.

Russia is not prepared, at all.
100% really ? Care to share the statistical source ?

Russia also built a wealth fund, must be news to you.

Oil becoming less important ? Really ?
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Old 01.08.2021, 12:33
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gaburko's theory fails...
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100% really ? Care to share the statistical source ?

Russia also built a wealth fund, must be news to you.

Oil becoming less important ? Really ?
Russia's sovereign wealth fund is not even in the top 10 by absolute size. Divide it per capita and it moves into obscurity. Officially, over 60% of GDP is purely extraction. The supporting industries and the ones surviving because of extraction add anything between 10% and 30% of GDP. It's not hard to find it, just search.

Yes, oil is important, sure. But can OPEC hit the developed world the way they did in 72 and 79? No, they cant. We're not post-oil, don't misinterpret me, what i said is that the RELATIVE importance of oil is decreasing
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Old 01.08.2021, 12:36
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Russia is 100% extraction economy with no value
Btw could you explain how extraction economy managed to build a stealth military aircraft fraction of cost of f35 ? Or second passenger jet ?

You compared it to Sweden, is Sweden able to build and export nuclear plants ?
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Old 01.08.2021, 12:43
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Russia's sovereign wealth fund is not even in the top 10 by absolute size. Divide it per capita and it moves into obscurity. Officially, over 60% of GDP is purely extraction. The supporting industries and the ones surviving because of extraction add anything between 10% and 30% of GDP. It's not hard to find it, just search.

Yes, oil is important, sure. But can OPEC hit the developed world the way they did in 72 and 79? No, they cant. We're not post-oil, don't misinterpret me, what i said is that the RELATIVE importance of oil is decreasing

https://www.worldometers.info/oil/#:...ta%20per%20day.


Care to visit this website before keep posting non sense ?


Oil usage is at ATH
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You mean shelling of innocencent people in Abkhazia on Aug 8 ? I see you have advanced view of how free election should be held.
I was thinking more Hungary 1956, Czechoslovakia 1968 etc.

Elections that ironically would in all likelihood have returned nominally pro-Soviet majorities with just some reformative ideas. It was the Soviet reaction to these attempts that made people really start hating them.

But just the risk was too much for them apparently.
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Btw could you explain how extraction economy managed to build a stealth military aircraft fraction of cost of f35 ? Or second passenger jet ?

You compared it to Sweden, is Sweden able to build and export nuclear plants ?
Soviet universities and research were among the world's best. The Russians today are still pretty good.

My dad who is a physicist told me many years ago that if I really wanted to understand maths or physics thoroughly and in all details I needed to read a Soviet university textbook. Anything else was just skimming the surface.

One problem was that the Russians were never particularly good at converting this excellent theoretical knowledge into entrepreneurial business. Many Russian scientists and engineers emigrated for the better opportunities.
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Btw could you explain how extraction economy managed to build a stealth military aircraft fraction of cost of f35 ? Or second passenger jet ?

You compared it to Sweden, is Sweden able to build and export nuclear plants ?
Russian record on constructing nuclear plants (with or without containment vessels) is a matter of national shame.

Having said that if Russia is a rogue state what does that make China ?
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Re: Russia today - rogue state, a thinly disguised Soviet Union, SPECTRE or what ?

amogles, I'm really curious, why do you say (back on the 1st page) "Is deciding to hold free elections an offensive action?" ?
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