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Old 01.08.2021, 17:50
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Re: Russia today - rogue state, a thinly disguised Soviet Union, SPECTRE or what ?

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amogles, both examples Hungary and Cz's governments were with Moscow and the uprising was seen as negative and maybe being infiltrated by some circles from the faschism days (who were indeed present around and did try to reconstruct) which not necessarily mean they had their hand in these uprisings.

Both Hu and Cz were sovereign and had armies and they could've start fighting against the russian troops.
You need to get a history lesson (ideally by travelling and talking to people from Eastern Europe). Or shut up.
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Old 01.08.2021, 18:02
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I bet you have data to back this up and compare to other developed countries.
Of course
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Old 01.08.2021, 18:06
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amogles, I think how your starting point is: the CCCP was bad, was created on fear and repression, they wanted to dominate in a very violent way over their people and the people around (the ones in the russian block) ...
There is little doubt in my mind that the Soviet Union was based on repression. And if this wasn't so initially, by the post war period it had become so. There were of course periods where things were better and periods that were worse.

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For ex. look at this poll.. They did a comparison, of what people thought in 1945 and 1994 and 2004 (this is in france, what the French think who which nation fought and won against the nazi Germany)
Basically the new generations think how it's the USA (well hollywood) and bit by bit the eseential is missing like who lost most lives during the 2nd World War to fight faschism.
It's an interesting poll. But I think it reflects appreciation of the Russians in terms of their military contribution, not necessarily sympathy for their political system or any desire to live under it.
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Old 01.08.2021, 19:31
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Re: Russia today - rogue state, a thinly disguised Soviet Union, SPECTRE or what ?

The short answer is, we don't.

A bunch of speculations
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Old 01.08.2021, 20:11
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There is little doubt in my mind that the Soviet Union was based on repression. . . .
Sometimes that is the natural consequence of an ordered society.
What happened if the citizens were caught flushing the toilet after 10pm or not wearing a mask when entering shop ?
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Old 01.08.2021, 20:29
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The short answer is, we don't.

A bunch of speculations
The former residents of Pripyat and those of several more villages and towns in Ukraine are not speculations.
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Old 01.08.2021, 21:12
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All as result of offensive actions by those states.
Nope.

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I was thinking more Hungary 1956, Czechoslovakia 1968 etc.

Elections that ironically would in all likelihood have returned nominally pro-Soviet majorities with just some reformative ideas.
Not this, either. It is naieve to see it this way but understand that people do.

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Both Hu and Cz were sovereign and had armies and they could've start fighting against the russian troops.
Not at all. Warsaw pact army was made out of several states: the attack and invasion in 1968 was done by Russian bullies but coordinated as a whole and presented as Warsaw pact deal. So they pushed Czech army into obedience, similar as in Munich '38 we were pawned over to the enemy by our "allies" and made to stomach it by calling our occupants our "friends".

I don't ever want to see anything similar happen again. To anyone.
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amogles, I think how your starting point is: the CCCP was bad, was created on fear and repression, they wanted to dominate in a very violent way over their people and the people around (the ones in the russian block) ...
If you could please do us a favour and read a few history book on the toll of the Soviet revolution on their own people (in many millions), the purges, the mass deportations of other nations with USSR borders before WWII, the targeted killings of ten of thousands of captured intelligentsia of other nations during the WWII, of ensuing occupations of EE countries post WWII and again killings of tens of thousands of political and armed rebels in these countries, of societies permeated by millions of spies, of massive repression apparatus, jailing and sentencing with faked trials, of the economy run to ground as a result of a failed ideology of repressions and deprivation of freedom.
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amogles, I think how your starting point is: the CCCP was bad, was created on fear and repression, they wanted to dominate in a very violent way over their people and the people around (the ones in the russian block) ...
Look up the Holodomor, and that's just one small part of the slaughters Stalin had committed.
Reading Solschenizin's Archipel Gulag would be informative as well.
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Old 01.08.2021, 23:54
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The former residents of Pripyat and those of several more villages and towns in Ukraine are not speculations.
what kind of non-sense is that ?

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Russian record on constructing nuclear plants (with or without containment vessels) is a matter of national shame.
You claim that Russian's record of constructing nuclear plants is shame basing it on a single failure that can easily be attributed to a human error ?

You realize Russia operates 30+ nuclear plants right now ?
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Old 01.08.2021, 23:56
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Nope.



Not this, either. It is naieve to see it this way but understand that people do.



Not at all. Warsaw pact army was made out of several states: the attack and invasion in 1968 was done by Russian bullies but coordinated as a whole and presented as Warsaw pact deal. So they pushed Czech army into obedience, similar as in Munich '38 we were pawned over to the enemy by our "allies" and made to stomach it by calling our occupants our "friends".

I don't ever want to see anything similar happen again. To anyone.
So you say the fact that Georgian army was shelling innocent civilians in Abkhazia on Aug 8 is "naieve" ?

F*** me, you people really lost the touch with reality here.
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Old 02.08.2021, 17:33
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In the introduction , John recalls how that bad Russia is even responsible for the election of Trump because through social media, like FB they were influencing americans.

I know how many love to perpetrate the myth how americans are dumb,stupid but I can fight till the last drop to prove how this is wrong.

And no, the russian savvies trained by kgb didnt make funny, smart memes and then americans thought "yeah, that's righ , I prefer Trump no matter what"

but people even when not highly educated do have rational reasoning, do feel when they've been played (by the system), beterayed, fooled,mocked,... And they were sick of the 8y of Obama-Clinton bacchanalia, which meant fancy Obamas catwalks,smile,sweetness,lovely speeches,coolness,the-guy-next-door style but immense personality at the same time....and on the other side, in those 8y all their hopes went down, since fracking continued people had less and less drinking water, the infrastructure in ruins, iraq torture,snowden, then "this country needs some democracy" the glorious attack on Libya , Gaddafi taken down, and at the same time some dark side of it because US ambasador Stevens and three other diplomats were killed in a very shady operation, then we had the whole Syria episode and the now new baddest of the baddest guys Bashir al Assad who need to be taken care of ...in the meantime , the standard ukraine, north Korea talk never ended... but in the meantime the Deepwater Horizon oil spill which is apparently the biggest disaster in that category well that went under the carpet and we didnt see BP big heads been taken down, reparation$$$- justice..Hilary scandal like the Whitewater investigation, or Podesta, and Huma&Weiner episode, Hilary's lovely speeches for Women Rights but taken huge huge $$$$ from countries where women are stoned as punishment ...etc.

So yes, maybe people did feel sick of the Obama-Clintonian reign and they just couldnt take it anymore and wanted to take anyone but them ? which means no, the americans arent the imbeciles with no brain so the russians orientated them not to vote the Hilary camp.

One can ask themselves the question of how come on the side of the Republikcan party they were falling one by one and there was Trump left...the laughter and the estimations of 90%vs 8% win .. was there a cunning plan from the beginning or all this is just a coincidence?

The reality is: people think what is generally accepted as Right. So, in our collective consciousness we've been programmed to think "yeah democrates whant freedom, progress, justice for all, no wars, " "conservatives want war, particular merit system,control, if you cant work,earn a living then just-die, " but this even though it's got some truth in it got mixed up and messed up long time ago . And here where the whole problem starts
Are these the same clear thinking people that have poured hundreds of millions of dollars into Trumps pockets since the elections to fund his bullshit fraud claims ? Those dude ? Sorry to inform you but a huge chunk of the U.S.A. population are as dumb as rocks. Not all of them for sure, maybe not even you. But please don‘t spout off stuff like there was a large group of normal joes upset with some domestic and foreign policy objectives and outcomes of the Obama administration. Like they followed that closely and said yeah, the Republicans were so much better. Pure bullshit. Trump managed to tap into their fears and hatred and he was given a little leg up by the Russians as they understood that he would have such a destructive and destabilizing impact. A country where the vast majority watch and believe the filth spewed by Fox news was easy pickings for a precisely aimed misinformation campaign in the few swing states that Trump won. Try harder next time.
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Old 02.08.2021, 17:56
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Re: Russia today - rogue state, a thinly disguised Soviet Union, SPECTRE or what ?

In what communistic country have you lived Otec? Or where does your opinion comes from?
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Old 02.08.2021, 18:01
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In what communistic country have you lived Otec? Or where does your opinion comes from?
from reading zerohedge and wikipedia
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from reading zerohedge...
Clear. I suspected I'm wasting my time, now I know it
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Old 02.08.2021, 18:15
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Clear. I suspected I'm wasting my time, now I know it
not sure who is wasting time with silly posts like yours.
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Old 02.08.2021, 18:20
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No need for insults!
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not sure who is wasting time with silly posts like yours.
Coming from someone reading Zerohedge this is a compliment! Thanks!
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Old 02.08.2021, 18:49
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Coming from someone reading Zerohedge this is a compliment! Thanks!
tell me you like bananas without telling me you like bananas

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Russia is 100% extraction economy


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Russia's sovereign wealth fund is not even in the top 10


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But will oil be less important? Certainly and its been happening for a long time, it will continue to do so
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No need for insults!
sorry about that
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