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Russia today - rogue state, a thinly disguised Soviet Union, SPECTRE or what ?

No doubt many of you are puzzled about exactly what Russia is and what it stands for today.

Officially it's called The Russian Federation but the world still harks back to Cold War cliches of the hammer & sickle,
leading many to assume that The Russian Federation is either no more than a thinly disguised Soviet Union just
waiting to break free of any pretence that it's a democracy or a mafia state, the playground of the dubiously
rich & the sanctuary of a 21st century version of SPECTRE ( the GRU's man with a white cat who directs
operations against the West ) that co-ordinates all these malevalent hackers like Fancy Bear, Cozy Bear,
Yogi Bear & Dark Side with their extortionate ransomware demands as well as manipulating public opinion
on Social media; to elect dubious presidential candidates like Donald Trump and seriously wound the EU with
the Brexit Referendum result & even come close to the United States leaving NATO with Trumps
threats to leave the alliance.

The fact that Vladimir Putin and cronies from the KGB assumed many mantles of power in Russia following
the collapse of the Soviet Union only reinforces our perception of Russia today.

Still on the plus side it's proving to be a great inspiration for spy films and international incident thrillers
following incidents like the takeover of the Crimea, Russian intervention in the Dombas and Luhansk,
the Salisbury poisonings, etc, etc.

The Little Green Men takeover of the Crimea
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Re: Russia today - rogue state, a thinly disguised Soviet Union, SPECTRE or what ?

The Russian Federation IS the Soviet Union, albeit smaller. That's why it is part of the big five in the United Nations Security Council member instead of the SU

They took over all debts of the SU but also all the nukes
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Re: Russia today - rogue state, a thinly disguised Soviet Union, SPECTRE or what ?

Just another country no better no worse than the US
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You don’t mean the Special Executive for Counter-intelligence, Terrorism, Revenge and Extortion? Ian told me it was fictional!
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Re: Russia today - rogue state, a thinly disguised Soviet Union, SPECTRE or what ?

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Just another country no better no worse than the US
How many countries Russia has bombed/invaded since 1945?
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How many countries Russia has bombed/invaded since 1945?
Well, Afghanistan to start with
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Well, Afghanistan to start with
Hungary 1956 to put down the Hungarian uprising, Czechoslovakia 1968 to put down the Prague Spring,
Georgia August 2008 to expel Georgians from Abkhazia & South Ossetia, Russian takeover of Crimea
from Ukraine 2014 and intervention in the Dombas & Luhansk in the same year.
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Hungary 1956 to put down the Hungarian uprising, Czechoslovakia 1968 to put down the Prague Spring,
Georgia August 2008 to expel Georgians from Abkhazia & South Ossetia, Russian takeover of Crimea
from Ukraine 2014 and intervention in the Dombas & Luhansk in the same year.
All as result of offensive actions by those states.
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All as result of offensive actions by those states.
I hope that was an ironic comment?
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I hope that was an ironic comment?
It was not mate
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Re: Russia today - rogue state, a thinly disguised Soviet Union, SPECTRE or what ?

Not a mate but I‘ll happily recommend you some books on the jollities of the Russians during the cold war
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All as result of offensive actions by those states.
Amazing the Ukrainians and Georgians managed to be offensive within their own territory.
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All as result of offensive actions by those states.
Troll or fool?
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All as result of offensive actions by those states.
Is deciding to hold free elections an offensive action?
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. . . as well as manipulating public opinion
on Social media; to elect dubious presidential candidates like Donald Trump . . .
Indeed. This shows how cunning and scheming these Ruskies can be in selecting such a character as Mr. Trump to be their man in the White House. Its amazing, as well, how they pulled it off with a few carefully placed posts on Twitter and Facebook.
Compared with most of the regime change operations attempted, or executed by the US, a very slick accomplishment.
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Re: Russia today - rogue state, a thinly disguised Soviet Union, SPECTRE or what ?

wow I'm impressed. People dont see, know, understand what's happening under their nose in their countries (which explicitly is shown now with covid and such) but are expert level on CCCP and the Russian Federation.
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Are you Russian by any chance?
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Troll or fool?
Combinations of both are not unknown

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Calling out the nationality of trolls and/or fools is not really nice
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Combinations of both are not unknown
Indeed. They're called tools
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Re: Russia today - rogue state, a thinly disguised Soviet Union, SPECTRE or what ?

In the introduction , John recalls how that bad Russia is even responsible for the election of Trump because through social media, like FB they were influencing americans.

I know how many love to perpetrate the myth how americans are dumb,stupid but I can fight till the last drop to prove how this is wrong.

And no, the russian savvies trained by kgb didnt make funny, smart memes and then americans thought "yeah, that's righ , I prefer Trump no matter what"

but people even when not highly educated do have rational reasoning, do feel when they've been played (by the system), beterayed, fooled,mocked,... And they were sick of the 8y of Obama-Clinton bacchanalia, which meant fancy Obamas catwalks,smile,sweetness,lovely speeches,coolness,the-guy-next-door style but immense personality at the same time....and on the other side, in those 8y all their hopes went down, since fracking continued people had less and less drinking water, the infrastructure in ruins, iraq torture,snowden, then "this country needs some democracy" the glorious attack on Libya , Gaddafi taken down, and at the same time some dark side of it because US ambasador Stevens and three other diplomats were killed in a very shady operation, then we had the whole Syria episode and the now new baddest of the baddest guys Bashir al Assad who need to be taken care of ...in the meantime , the standard ukraine, north Korea talk never ended... but in the meantime the Deepwater Horizon oil spill which is apparently the biggest disaster in that category well that went under the carpet and we didnt see BP big heads been taken down, reparation$$$- justice..Hilary scandal like the Whitewater investigation, or Podesta, and Huma&Weiner episode, Hilary's lovely speeches for Women Rights but taken huge huge $$$$ from countries where women are stoned as punishment ...etc.

So yes, maybe people did feel sick of the Obama-Clintonian reign and they just couldnt take it anymore and wanted to take anyone but them ? which means no, the americans arent the imbeciles with no brain so the russians orientated them not to vote the Hilary camp.

One can ask themselves the question of how come on the side of the Republikcan party they were falling one by one and there was Trump left...the laughter and the estimations of 90%vs 8% win .. was there a cunning plan from the beginning or all this is just a coincidence?

The reality is: people think what is generally accepted as Right. So, in our collective consciousness we've been programmed to think "yeah democrates whant freedom, progress, justice for all, no wars, " "conservatives want war, particular merit system,control, if you cant work,earn a living then just-die, " but this even though it's got some truth in it got mixed up and messed up long time ago . And here where the whole problem starts
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