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Re: Any right to get a free lawyer in Switzerland ?

Oh, and on a legal note - the current situation with Swiss law is that if you are an adult, and you were adopted, you are entitled to find the identiy of your biological parents - so you should be able to contact an adoption support service in Switzerland who can help you to find that information.



Do you know where you were born - according to your birth certificate ? It would be easy enough to contact the issuing office and ask them if it is indeed the original, or if it's possible that it was a replacement (adopted) certificate - it will be on the records somewhere...


https://www.loc.gov/item/global-lega...rs-into-force/



https://www.ch.ch/en/biological-parents/
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Re: Any right to get a free lawyer in Switzerland ?

Oh, and on a legal note - the current situation with Swiss law is that if you are an adult, and you were adopted, you are entitled to find the identiy of your biological parents - so you should be able to contact an adoption support service in Switzerland who can help you to find that information.

I think I said I was not adopted, I have a birth certificate but I claim that I do not match my parents stated on a birth certificate genetically… which opens a lot of questions - how did they issue a birht certificate without legal procedure of adoption long time ago...and I believe that an injured infant did not leave maternity hospital… besides that… a lot of strange things happened in my life...and I think people in my "family" figure it out who my mother is, and who my father was long before I manage to speak about it...how do you think that people would cover up an infant kidnap ?? by legally adoption procedure ?? how could a kidnapped infant even be legally adopted ? if I was stolen as an infant baby… how could I come to court by age of 25 when no one told me this … how could I claim that these people are not my parents when they have a birth certificate that I am their daughter ? And I claim I am not. Why? I did not say that my mother is Sofija Loren - a men in my family "uncle" said that..it was unbelivable to me when I heard this for the first time, but then I look my face and I do carry facial resemblance with Sofija… Am I a product of incest..can't claim 100% for sure.. ? I asked an experts but this is a taboo subject and people who were asked to comment my HLA tissue typing left me without exact or precise comment or answers. Basically, if person suspect it was kidnaped as infant baby from teritory of another state (USA or Italy hard to say where Sofija was at that time?) and ended up in third country, that by Swiss laws I do not have a right to search for my mother…or even to ask for a police officer to check my story of course with detailed description then this written here ???


Birth certificate could be original, but the person living under that birth certificate doesn't have to match parents stated on a birth certificate and there was no legal procedure of adoption… I know where I was born as stated on birth certificate, but I also know that no maternity hospital would leave an injured infant of 13 days old out of hospital…I think it was actually replacement of infants… but I am not a criminalist...
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Re: Any right to get a free lawyer in Switzerland ?

Adoption can be 'legal' or 'illegal. In essence (in English) it means to take a child as your own.


So it's correct to say that if you were not raised by your own parents there are usually a few options:
- adopted (taken by another parent as their own child)
- fostered (temporarily cared for but it is clear the adult caring for the child is not the parent)
- placed in an institution.


Regardless of whether you are (or are not) adopted, whether the parents who cared for you as a baby were not your biological parents - an adoption support service will know how to check your birth records (and will certainly be the best people to know if those documents are accurate and match existing records or if there is something not-quite-right).



1977 is not that long ago...


And a DNA test will give you further information.



And yes, if you suspect you were born in Switzerland, then you can try to find out where you were born, and look for original records there...



Where was your birth certificate issued ? Do you have an old original or a newer one ? What is your parent's marriage date ?



I never said you were 'legally' adopted....plenty of illegal adoptions happened in that period...



The 'normal' procedure for adoption in many countries was simply to re-issue the birth certificate with the new details of the adoptive parents - if your birth certificate has your parent's names on it, that does not mean it's necessarily the original... you would need to go to the registry office where it was issued to double-check if it is the original record, or if there are further details available.


Where were you born, according to your birth certificate ? Were you born in a hospital ? If so, you can ask the hospital if it's possible to access your medical records... I was born around the same time as you and I had an operation done when I was 7 years old, and another one at 35 at the same hospital, and they had my original (handwritten!) medical records at my second operation - I'm not wasting your time here - it's really very likely the records are still available...
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I think my biological identity could be connected to politician – president TITO and Sophija Loren, which I am not even suppose to mention
Now we get to the nub of the matter. Have you considered just visiting a psychiatric doctor and talking about your feelings? Or a therapist? It may be that your suspicions are in fact born out of a psychological condition, you know, some kind of delusional paranoid fantasy. Worth checking.

The conclusions you draw from blood groups and HLA antigens tissue typing are wrong. There is no evidence there at all of anything wrong.

The only way to establish if those two people who you once called mum and dad are your parents, is for the three of you to have a DNA test and

If they won't go along with that, then get your own DNA profiling done, join an ancestry website and see if you can find a match. It could reunite you with the other love child of Tito and Sophia Loren.
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In the UK & USA you can get representation paid for by the government (Legal Aid), doesn't mean the lawyer doesn't get paid.
Same here. Called "Pflichtverteidiger". Very limited reasons to get one of those.
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• By oral claim of a person in my family he said that my father was President Tito and mother Sofija Loren. But how can I be sure about this ?. Most of TITO’s property was stolen.
That would make you Croatian/Italian.
What made you arrive at Swiss/Austrian?

Around here if someone said about a child it must be the kid of Tito and Lauren it would mean the child is a little dictator but very, very beautiful.

I go with NotAllThere's advice: Start with a therapist.

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Re: Any right to get a free lawyer in Switzerland ?

What's really funny about this sad story.... is how at that time we're speaking , sophia loren was in her 40ties and Tito was around 85-86 ....

From what I know about men-women.. is that they'd need to bang quite a lot , all the time so they can get into the fertility days and so it can work, ... which might not to ( even if they're into the fertility days.) . and they have to start again next month

I mean that's a lot of sex for someone around 85y and a lady in her 40ties that already had children and one can wonder how come she's not looking after her child knowing how she has the connections, the $ and she's a gutsy woman more like a lioness than not looking for her stolen child for all these years..
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Re: Any right to get a free lawyer in Switzerland ?

Thank you for psychiatric doctors - but they are not police, investigative body and they can not solve a problem, pills usually do not make a problem go away, and their service is expensive, my "uncle" wasn't a doctor - he said Sofija Loren and Tito - he never visited psychiatric expert.





Am I aloud to put here my phots, me as an infant with an injury it is open wound of belly button it is all black foto, am I aloud to put my foto next to Sofija to se facial similarity, and foto of me when I was an little girl with my "mother" you will see why is hard that she could be my mother...I think it is hard to explain something when you are unable to see…Tito was not Josip Broz...so how can the date of his birth be correct if that wasn't his real name ? If I am aloud to put my photos here can you give me an instructions how to put them through which free service ...I used photobucket what do I need to do to paste a photo on these forum, after you see … make any conclusion or comment…
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Thank you for psychiatric doctors - but they are not police, investigative body and they can not solve a problem,
They can possibly help though, if you're suffering from a mental disorder.
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He thinks you're the secret lovechild of Sofia Loren and Tito, then he's either crazy, or deluding you.
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Re: Any right to get a free lawyer in Switzerland ?

And my other question would be:




• what are the rights of persons who, as infants, were unlawfully separated from their biological relatives in my case by a mother who is not even a Croatian citizen – what are the rights of the abducted persons or persons suspected of being abducted as infants who have been abducted for political reasons (and the infant can not only know that he has been kidnapped, because it has assimilated – unless someone carelessly says something and the person suspects that does not belong in that family)... It's something even the police didn't recognize as a criminal act... and the regular paths of exercising the right to establish a mother/father by the legal deadline were not taken into account by me, because it was withheld from me and because there is denial and opposition within the family

• or to rephrase the question of what are the legal rights of an infant/now an adult/, who most likely survived a terrorist political act, but this cannot be argued openly because it is not known anywhere that Tito would have died in a bomb blast in 1976 (this is not the official version), and then kidnapped and brought to Croatia with a new identity as if I had been born into a legal marriage for the second time


THE ESSENCE OF THE PROBLEM: abducted or separated from her mother at the age of only a few days, injured reached Croatia, barely survived as an infant, placed into a Croatian family even though the actual origin is essentially foreign, I was given a birth certificate as if I were indeed a biological daughter born into a legitimate Croatian marriage, it seems that the kidnapped imperial and Austrian became originally Croatian???, grew up in Croatia under another identity to put it that way and was robbed of the right to inheritance and citizenship by biological parents and the right to inherit the property of biological parents, and Croatian citizenship was acquired in my opinion in an illegal way – by concealing a crime that took place at the time of my birth. Although the date of birth on the birth certificate is clear and almost unquestionable, it seems that situations are possible in life when the date of birth on the birth certificate and not the birth certificate itself – are not proof that before the birth certificate was published, there was no abduction of a political person's infant – former President Tito, who was also Habsuburg.

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Am I aloud to put here my phots, me as an infant with an injury it is open wound of belly button it is all black foto, am I aloud to put my foto next to .......
...after you see … make any conclusion or comment…
No, please don't do this. It is not wise, for your own privacy and safety, to post photos of yourself online.

In any case, this forum has rules against revealing personal information.
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My mental dissorder was caused in 2002 with wrong medications - painkillers which had rare psychiatric side effects and my mental condition was provoked with these medications. I am suffering from narcolepsy (sleeping dissorder) + toxoplasmosis (parasitic illness) + I suspect gluten intolerance and all these diagnoses do affect brain … and lack of sleep can make you nervous … and I sue the doctors not for wrong diagnostic but for unapproved medical surgical procedure which is actually legally forbidden..
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Re: Any right to get a free lawyer in Switzerland ?

Look, ill keep this simple: you had all the support at the beginning of this thread but its going down in a downward spiral: You clearly have some mental issues which you are even aware of. Instead of getting help are you trying to send people on a wild goose chase without any sort of proof or even indication.

Get a DNA test. When you can proof that your parents arent in fact your biological parents you have at least a start.
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Look, ill keep this simple: you had all the support at the beginning of this thread but its going down in a downward spiral: You clearly have some mental issues which you are even aware of. Instead of getting help are you trying to send people on a wild goose chase without any sort of proof or even indication.

Get a DNA test. When you can proof that your parents arent in fact your biological parents you have at least a start.


Look being kidnapped since infancy is not a mental issue, but a level of stres is a little bit higher than to people living in normal families. I am not trying to send a foto to anyone (I asked am I aloud to do it? but I did send them to police etc… why because they could be considered as a clue or evidence. or at least that something was suspicious at the beginning of my life) but I thought it would be easier to understand what I am talking about...so, I will not put my foto..


I did a DNA, besides HLA tissue typing which is also used sometimes in paternity/maternity problems… result of DNA test ended up with criminal court complaint right away when it was issued … without any comment from authorities, no feed back, no letter, no information about complaint
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Re: Any right to get a free lawyer in Switzerland ?

I'm still trying to figure out how Switzerland is supposed to help when it's an Italian mother and a Croatian father.
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Re: Any right to get a free lawyer in Switzerland ?

Maybe because Sophia Loren is residing in Geneva from what I know... Tina turner in ZH , Sophia loren in GE...
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Re: Any right to get a free lawyer in Switzerland ?

Call or go to your local gemeinde and explain your situation. They will be able to point you in the right direction and are usually very helpful. I once had a legal question and went to them and they provided me with free advice. But I can't remember exactly the name of the department, it's so long ago. They had a service where a lawyer was available every two weeks for walk in legal advice.
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Re: Any right to get a free lawyer in Switzerland ?

I don't understand why you need a lawyer.

Since your uncle said that you were Sophia Loren's secret baby, why not just rock up to her chateau in Geneva with a big bouquet of flowers?

'Hi mom!'
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Re: Any right to get a free lawyer in Switzerland ?

I think you have several separate areas, and it might help to try to separate them, at least: emotional, legal, scientific, financial, research, citizenship, mental health. I'm going to address each one of them separately.
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Re: Any right to get a free lawyer in Switzerland ?

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It is normal to want to know, emotionally, who one's biological parents are. It is annoying and frustrating to be told of rumours and whisperings, and never to be sure. I can understand that, if you believe that the parents who raised you are not your biological parents, you want to try to find out who they really were.

This might be possible, but it might not be, ever. Whatever effort you put into this, you need to know that you may not succeed, and to find ways to be safe, emotionally, even if you never find the full truth.
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