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Also, not one of my friends and family in the NW have had any issues with supply, but almost all of my mates in the Home Counties have.
I have noticed this too.
My family and friends in the north donít seem to be having any problems at all but my husbandís family in the south east and Bristol do.
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Re: Is the UK petrol crisis just due to media hype?

Another motivation.
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Motoring group the RAC said the price of a litre of unleaded petrol has risen by a penny since Friday to an eight-year high. It added it was aware a small number of retailers were hiking prices amid the soaring demand.
(From the BBC).

And with competition law being suspended …

Edited to add: On WRS this morning Henk Potts mentioned that (at least) one retailer is charging over £2 a litre, and getting it.

Business 101: The law of supply and demand.

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Another motivation. (From the BBC).

And with competition law being suspended Ö

Edited to add: On WRS this morning Henk Potts mentioned that (at least) one retailer is charging over £2 a litre, and getting it.

Business 101: The law of supply and demand.
exactly, they could have just put some emergency fuel levy that decreases over the next month and people would have stopped hoarding.
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Re: Is the UK petrol crisis just due to media hype?

Just came back from the UK yesterday after spending a few days there.

We rented a car and quite a few roads had traffic just due to queues for petrol stations...! (S East)

Luckily our car came with the tank half full and we filled it straight away - if we had to return back to full yesterday I don't think we could've!
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Re: Is the UK petrol crisis just due to media hype?

There really is 'No Time to Drive in the UK' unless you've found a Petrol station that's still open.

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Many motivations at work here:

The hauling companies want the government to reopen the cheap labour pipeline from Eastern Europe and feel that the current plans are inadequate.

The drivers want the hauling companies to improve their working conditions and raise their wages.

The government agrees with the drivers and want to tighten the immigration tap and be seen as implementing Brexit.

And the man on the street who doesnít want to be caught short and who will ultimately end up paying for the higher costs,

And, of course, the media who knows that good nees doesnít sell, but a panic does.

Iím sure glad I live in a civilised country.
The UK is hardly the Badlands...

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Also, not one of my friends and family in the NW have had any issues with supply, but almost all of my mates in the Home Counties have.

It's just become a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Our village was out of fuel at the weekend, am in the NW. Hopefully it'll calm down now as all the dafties will have filled up...
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…those who bought all the toilet paper now buying all oil...I am glad that I am on velo'...
I have to say that a toilet paper crisis sounds worse than a petrol crisis.
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I have to say that a toilet paper crisis sounds worse than a petrol crisis.
I'm with you there.
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I have to say that a toilet paper crisis sounds worse than a petrol crisis.
Watch out as Britain's Brexit policies are creating 'the perfect storm' for A Plague of Locusts to descend on Englands green and pleasant land.

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There really is 'No Time to Drive in the UK' unless you've found a Petrol station that's still open.

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If you own/drive an EV, it's not that bad (yet) ;-)

But I'll tell my parents (in Germany) to top-up on fuel earlier than usual.

And I've told my dad to ask the elderly lady they're friends with, who is always a bit short on money, if she's already topped up her heating oil.
She's often late on that (no money) - but this Winter, this might completely ruin her.

(She lives in her own house, but is house-poor... Dad is carrying over some wood for her fire-place right now).

IMO, those who claim it could be a very tough Winter might be right. And the price of being caught on the wrong side of this shortage will be very hard to swallow for those who are already stretched thin for whatever reasons.

The next German government are likely to have their very first "crisis" cut out for them even before they really get started.
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Our village was out of fuel at the weekend, am in the NW. Hopefully it'll calm down now as all the dafties will have filled up...
I'd love to share your positive outlook, but when 'the dafties' have filled up, the UK will still have a massive shortage of HGV drivers. the previous time, which I remember very clearly, the shortages were due to a strike, so when the stirke stopped- then it all got back to normal. How do you suddenly cover for 100.000 HGV drivers?

As for East European drivers rushing here to save our bacon, after the way they have been treated, well I don't think many will rush over for a 3 months contract. They already spent 1 Christmas on a Kent car park in the most awful conditions- they are not likely to want to risk another one, when they have much better jobs in Europe.

This Polish driver explains this well (great English too, bravo) - this was shared by another EF member elsewhere, thanks


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I'd love to share your positive outlook, but when 'the dafties' have filled up, the UK will still have a massive shortage of HGV drivers. the previous time, which I remember very clearly, the shortages were due to a strike, so when the stirke stopped- then it all got back to normal. How do you suddenly cover for 100.000 HGV drivers?

As for East European drivers rushing here to save our bacon, after the way they have been treated, well I don't think many will rush over for a 3 months contract. They already spent 1 Christmas on a Kent car park in the most awful conditions- they are not likely to want to risk another one, when they have much better jobs in Europe.

This Polish driver explains this well (great English too, bravo) - this was shared by another EF member elsewhere, thanks


https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presente...offer-amusing/
I'm not succumbing to dramatic panic just yet. And I live here. Still prefer it to other options.


And nor should they have to. Our gov't has been treating "the little people " shoddily for years. Baffles me how they have so much working class support.
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Re: Is the UK petrol crisis just due to media hype?

I'm in rural north Norfolk right now and it's incredible. My sister went to the supermarket in the local market town yesterday, she couldn't get within a mile of the shop for cars queuing for petrol - and even if she did, there was nowhere to park, the whole car park has been turned into a snaking queue for gas.

This morning her son came home after 3 hours of driving around looking for diesel for his truck and petrol for his chipper and chain saws. He's a tree surgeon and has had to cancel all of his bookings for this week. He has enough diesel in the truck for about 20 miles, so one more scouting run.

He does have some red diesel in a tank (the very low taxed diesel for agricultural tractor use) but some of his farmer friends have told him the authorities are upping random stops to test car tanks. If you're caught with red diesel in a van or car, the fines are pretty steep.
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I'm in rural north Norfolk right now and it's incredible. My sister went to the supermarket in the local market town yesterday, she couldn't get within a mile of the shop for cars queuing for petrol - and even if she did, there was nowhere to park, the whole car park has been turned into a snaking queue for gas.

This morning her son came home after 3 hours of driving around looking for diesel for his truck and petrol for his chipper and chain saws. He's a tree surgeon and has had to cancel all of his bookings for this week. He has enough diesel in the truck for about 20 miles, so one more scouting run.

He does have some red diesel in a tank (the very low taxed diesel for agricultural tractor use) but some of his farmer friends have told him the authorities are upping random stops to test car tanks. If you're caught with red diesel in a van or car, the fines are pretty steep.
And i bet a good whack of the folk queuing don't really need the fuel.

If I can't get into work next week I guess I'm back to online!
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He does have some red diesel in a tank (the very low taxed diesel for agricultural tractor use) but some of his farmer friends have told him the authorities are upping random stops to test car tanks. If you're caught with red diesel in a van or car, the fines are pretty steep.

The fun will start when the authorities run out of diesel and fuel, too.

Can't imagine there being a huge reserve anymore. Was probably eliminated years ago to save a few pennies.

Worked well for face-masks, right?

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Lots of councils have stopped garden waste collections already.


grumpy, thanks for the update. If I was going to get stuck anywhere, North Norfolk wouldn't be a bad place for it. Blakeney, Holkham, Wells - must be gorgeous at the moment. Stay well.
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Re: Is the UK petrol crisis just due to media hype?

We stopped by a Farm Shop on Friday, in N. Somerset for some stuff. I asked the farmer how he was coping and he commented that he had a 3/4 full tank on his property, a few hundred litres. But his supplier had already warned him not to expect his normal monthly delivery in October as he was running short.

While this crisis may be artificial it is having a serious impact on a many Britons. Iím not certain that the British government actually understands this.
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Warnings have been there and the Government fully aware for a long time. They did absolutely nothing about this. Which is why I fo one do not believe this petrol crisis will be short-lived. As said above, very different to a strike, which allows return to normal very quickly once is is over.

From the Guardian:

The shadow home secretary, Nick Thomas-Symonds, said the failure stemmed from government inaction, rather than blaming the public.

He said the HGV driver shortage was a “catastrophic failure of leadership” and said he had warned the transport secretary, Grant Shapps, about the impending disaster.

“We find ourselves in this position because of a complete failure of the government to lead and to plan ahead,” he said. “I and other shadow cabinet colleagues wrote to Grant Shapps back in July highlighting these issues. We got very short shrift from Grant Shapps, who wrote back to us in the first week of August saying, in his words, that he wouldn’t be using foreign labour to solve this issue.

“Now, the government says it wants to train up … and I’m absolutely in favour of training up HGV drivers, but it hasn’t done that to a sufficient extent, nor has it until recently made a very small concession on being able to bring drivers in from abroad.

“So this is a catastrophic failure of leadership, it looks like we’ve ended up with petrol running out, the prime minister talking about bringing the army in. This is a crisis of the government’s own making.”


Wait and see, but I for one cannot imagine European HGV drivers rushing over to UK to help out- after the way they have been treated, the awful roadside conditions, redtape- and for 3 months contract. Would you? Would any of you? I certainly would NOT.
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I don't understand why this is perceived as a government problem. The market decides to pay the drivers low wages, creating a shortage. Now the market has to solve it.
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Warnings have been there and the Government fully aware for a long time. They did absolutely nothing about this. Which is why I for one do not believe this petrol crisis will be short-lived.
But Boris is sending the army in, so that'll be ok. Presumably not to shoot hoarders though. At least, not yet.
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