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Warnings have been there and the Government fully aware for a long time. They did absolutely nothing about this......
Of course not, why would they, they are true descendants of Mrs. Thacher, the invisible hand of free market will take care of everything
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But Boris is sending the army in, so that'll be ok. Presumably not to shoot hoarders though. At least, not yet.

Is there any Army left to send in ?
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Re: Is the UK petrol crisis just due to media hype?

To answer your original question - I think at least some of the crisis is due to media hype. Even here in Switzerland we hear about the impending doom on the evening news. It's not surprising to me that people are queuing to get what they can, while they can.
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Is there any Army left to send in ?
The EU army will invade to restore peace, as DB once predicted somewhere...
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I don't understand why this is perceived as a government problem. The market decides to pay the drivers low wages, creating a shortage. Now the market has to solve it.
Long-term, I agree.

But the Covid/Brexit combo does not allow for time for this to happen. I wonder if you have strong links to UK, family and friends who are truly and directly affected? Easy to say ....

Running out of water sanitzing chemicals and essential drugs is not much fun for some, I'd say.
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To answer your original question - I think at least some of the crisis is due to media hype. Even here in Switzerland we hear about the impending doom on the evening news. It's not surprising to me that people are queuing to get what they can, while they can.
The Daily Mail (DM) had a news article the other day saying "Up to 90% of forecourts nationwide are out of petrol". I mean seriously, how can that not cause panic buying? In fact, the DM is full of sensationalist stories about it. It's a disgrace how much the UK tabloids take such satisfaction in whipping people into a frothing frenzy even during the worst of times. They have little to no social responsibility at times like this.
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I don't understand why this is perceived as a government problem. The market decides to pay the drivers low wages, creating a shortage. Now the market has to solve it.
When people can't get to work, or operate their business (as my nephew), teachers and nurses can't get to work (my sister is a teacher and has enough petrol for 2 more trips to school) then it becomes a government problem.
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I don't understand why this is perceived as a government problem. The market decides to pay the drivers low wages, creating a shortage. Now the market has to solve it.
But it wasnt just the market, was it? It was a political decision to stop foreign drivers willing to work for the current rate to pick up the jobs. It was also a political "decision" to be so competent about the whole brexit thing that thousands of lorry drivers spent last christmas on an airfield in Kent... so even when they are allowed back will they think twice if they want to. Sure, there are some longterm economics at work, but lets not pretend that this crisis isnt caused by pretty obvious and concrete political decisions.



If the petrol will run low for some weeks will this bring the entire country to a standstill... because as I remember do even the trains run on diesel... at least the ones I took recently. Its hard to predict how bad it can become but potentially quite a disaster.

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When people can't get to work, or operate their business (as my nephew), teachers and nurses can't get to work (my sister is a teacher and has enough petrol for 2 more trips to school) then it becomes a government problem.

Doctors, nurses, care staff, ambulance workers, etc. Johnson refuses to prioritise key staff.

Huge Derbyshire haulage company just gone to the wall- many jobs lost.
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It's a plot by Elon Musk
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It's a plot by Elon Musk
Giving Teslas a plug.
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One of the funny memes on today about running in pecks for furlongs running on Sovrinty!
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The Daily Mail (DM) had a news article the other day saying "Up to 90% of forecourts nationwide are out of petrol". I mean seriously, how can that not cause panic buying? In fact, the DM is full of sensationalist stories about it. It's a disgrace how much the UK tabloids take such satisfaction in whipping people into a frothing frenzy even during the worst of times. They have little to no social responsibility at times like this.
The Daily Mail has a track record when it comes to sensationalist stories, you only have to look back at the German
Invasion of the Home Counties in 1910 ( based on William Le Queux's The Invasion of 1910 ) to see that.
Where the dasdardly DM had the Kaisers army marching round the towns and villages of the Home Counties to the joy
of the large Daily Mail readership in those areas.

The Invasion of 1910 by William Le Queux
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To answer your original question - I think at least some of the crisis is due to media hype. Even here in Switzerland we hear about the impending doom on the evening news. It's not surprising to me that people are queuing to get what they can, while they can.
Hi 3Wishes,

I mean this with respect (and I know that this is a horrible, misused term, but I truly do mean it with all of it‘s pure, original intentions).

But with you coming from the US, I‘m not really convinced that you understand the whole psyche of the British population. This is not media hype, it is real.

Such a statement would be like me saying the same about the the storming of the US capital ��, according to the international press is not real. Or denying that The Corona virus would be a problem, currently.

Let‘s hope that it can all get sorted!
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Doctors, nurses, care staff, ambulance workers, etc. Johnson refuses to prioritise key staff.

Huge Derbyshire haulage company just gone to the wall- many jobs lost.
It's called neoliberalism and it has proven its failure. Yet, most politicians are in a cult that worships its gods.

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Of course not, why would they, they are true descendants of Mrs. Thacher, the invisible hand of free market will take care of everything
Right, right.....the invisible hand, eh. Especially of public education, health care, infrastructure...
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To answer your original question - I think at least some of the crisis is due to media hype. Even here in Switzerland we hear about the impending doom on the evening news. It's not surprising to me that people are queuing to get what they can, while they can.
The problem is not a fuel shortage, but shortage of drivers able to bring the fuel to the petrol stations, exacerbated by a PM with a history of lying who told people not to panic buy.

Nothing to do with Brexit, as the Daily Heil will tell you.

Reintroducing any notion of Freedom Of Movement more than the 3 month visa now proposed would require those on the “leave” side of the argument to admit they were wrong - which will not happen.

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Hi 3Wishes,

I mean this with respect (and I know that this is a horrible, misused term, but I truly do mean it with all of its pure, original intentions).

But with you coming from the US, Im not really convinced that you understand the whole psyche of the British population. This is not media hype, it is real.

Such a statement would be like me saying the same about the the storming of the US capital ��, according to the international press is not real. Or denying that The Corona virus would be a problem, currently.

Lets hope that it can all get sorted!
I've not lived in the UK so I definitely don't know the British psyche. At the same time, I'm not saying the crisis isn't real.

I'm saying that I think some of the images we are seeing on TV and reading online are perpetuating the scare and making people even more nervous, which then leads to further attempts to hoard fuel. That doesn't help anyone.

The images and the headlines are largely the same. Pumps are dry, long lines, soaring demand in the coming terribly cold winter. Those are the surface headlines most people see. They don't care whether it's due to a lack of lorry drivers, lack of production, whatever. They see they can't or won't be able to get fuel and panic.
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I've not lived in the UK so I definitely don't know the British psyche. At the same time, I'm not saying the crisis isn't real. (
While some elements of the 'crisis' are real, the British psyche is an increasingly sad thing to behold. A nation with a significant proportion of of scaremongers and knee-jerkers who love nothing more than being up in arms about something or worrying about something. Of course there are a lot of normal rational people, but unfortunately those are outweighed by the masses of easily influenced, easily worried/scared and often highly ignorant people who engage in all of this irrational and panicked behaviour.

And sure, much of it has undoubtedly been caused by generations growing up and consuming our despicable and sensationalist tabloid media, in addition to our undignified 'punch and judy' politics.

I really do worry about the UK and the sharp decline in quality of live and steady decline in moral values, common sense and rationality that it is going through. The "Keep calm and carry on" mentality that the UK was once famous for seems like a distant memory.
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While some elements of the 'crisis' are real, the British psyche is an increasingly sad thing to behold. A nation with a significant proportion of of scaremongers and knee-jerkers who love nothing more than being up in arms about something or worrying about something. Of course there are a lot of normal rational people, but unfortunately those are outweighed by the masses of easily influenced, easily worried/scared and often highly ignorant people who engage in all of this irrational and panicked behaviour.

And sure, much of it has undoubtedly been caused by generations growing up and consuming our despicable and sensationalist tabloid media, in addition to our undignified 'punch and judy' politics.
No doubt many of the Brit's who succumed to queueing at the pumps also 'grew up' with a diet of Dad's Army on the TV
along with Lance Corporal Jones famous quote 'Don't Panic, Captain Mainwaring, Don't Panic !!' had the opposite effect on the
Walmington-on-Sea Home Guard ( and still repeated on TV to this day )

The last few days have shown that the tendency for Brits to imitate Corporal Jones is stronger than the 'Keep Calm & Carry On'
image that the British Government would like to put across in the face of shortages.

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Re: Is the UK petrol crisis just due to media hype?

Here is a 'theory' I read elsewhere. Seems far fetched- and yet. Is there someone in the haulage/petroleum industry who could comment with some experience. Could it make any sense at all? Here is what she wrote:

''I do wonder if the government had a huge reserve of fuel that it needed to get rid of to make way for the new E10 fuel. Something that popped into my head yesterday. I may be totally wrong... but here goes. Due to lockdown any reserves were not being used as people not travelling. When i googled about 'use by dates' for petrol it has roughly 6months then something happens to it and it can turn slimy apparently. Creating a panic situation has probably used up most of the reserves and now fresh E10 fuel can be ordered and delivered to petrol stations meaning we are all being more enviromentally friendly and paying more for our fuel.''
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