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Here is a 'theory' I read elsewhere. Seems far fetched- and yet. Is there someone in the haulage/petroleum industry who could comment with some experience. Could it make any sense at all? Here is what she wrote:

''I do wonder if the government had a huge reserve of fuel that it needed to get rid of to make way for the new E10 fuel. Something that popped into my head yesterday. I may be totally wrong... but here goes. Due to lockdown any reserves were not being used as people not travelling. When i googled about 'use by dates' for petrol it has roughly 6months then something happens to it and it can turn slimy apparently. Creating a panic situation has probably used up most of the reserves and now fresh E10 fuel can be ordered and delivered to petrol stations meaning we are all being more enviromentally friendly and paying more for our fuel.''
Gasoline/petrol does not degrades, but some components evaporate along time since recipients are not perfect. The evaporation of some components degrades its performance as fuel, even no reaction takes place. But, this is expected to happen in the tank of a car, not in a fuel storage facility.

Creating the panic situation seems like conspiracy theory because no country has a huge reserve of fuel. It's much easier to store crude oil and then refine it compared to storing gasoline. There's Japan and Switzerland with 120+ days domestic oil consumption in storage and the US with 4-5 weeks, UK 90 days. Anyway, the point is that the stored thing in large volumes is crude oil, not gasoline. Crude oil can be converted to any kind of fuel including E10.
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The last few days have shown that the tendency for Brits to imitate Corporal Jones is stronger than the 'Keep Calm & Carry On'
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Here is a 'theory' I read elsewhere. Seems far fetched- and yet. Is there someone in the haulage/petroleum industry who could comment with some experience. Could it make any sense at all? Here is what she wrote:

''I do wonder if the government had a huge reserve of fuel that it needed to get rid of to make way for the new E10 fuel. Something that popped into my head yesterday. I may be totally wrong... but here goes. Due to lockdown any reserves were not being used as people not travelling. When i googled about 'use by dates' for petrol it has roughly 6months then something happens to it and it can turn slimy apparently. Creating a panic situation has probably used up most of the reserves and now fresh E10 fuel can be ordered and delivered to petrol stations meaning we are all being more enviromentally friendly and paying more for our fuel.''
Government horded fuel wouldn't go to the consumers - it'll go to essential services and the army to drive trunks. During lockdown, given the shelf-life, oil companies cut down on production of petrol and diesel.

Ergo. Twaddle.
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Here is a 'theory' I read elsewhere. Seems far fetched- and yet. Is there someone in the haulage/petroleum industry who could comment with some experience. Could it make any sense at all? Here is what she wrote:

''I do wonder if the government had a huge reserve of fuel that it needed to get rid of to make way for the new E10 fuel. Something that popped into my head yesterday. I may be totally wrong... but here goes. Due to lockdown any reserves were not being used as people not travelling. When i googled about 'use by dates' for petrol it has roughly 6months then something happens to it and it can turn slimy apparently. Creating a panic situation has probably used up most of the reserves and now fresh E10 fuel can be ordered and delivered to petrol stations meaning we are all being more enviromentally friendly and paying more for our fuel.''
This person seems like an expert.

I mean seriously JackieH, are you how copying and pasting nonsense conspiracy theories from Facebook?
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Old 29.09.2021, 12:08
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Re: Is the UK petrol crisis just due to media hype?

Made a quick search. As expected, the UK has a national Emergency Plan for Fuel in the downstream oil supply chain. Downstream oil means all the companies involved in refining, distribution and sales of fuel. It seems the broken thing this time is distribution.

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Where a risk of industrial action is identified, BEIS will invoke levels of contingency planning but prioritise encouraging the parties involved to solve the issue through negotiation.
So, the public policy is to let the market solve it. It's obvious by now that the market has failed. The industry could not solve the problem on its own. Then, comes the government to solve the issue. It's OK to put some pressure on politicians, but the same pressure should be applied to all the managers in the downstream oil supply chain, at least mention their names and responsibilities in newspapers.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/preparin...gy-emergencies
https://www.gov.uk/government/public...uel-allocation



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Gasoline/petrol does not degrades, but some components evaporate along time since recipients are not perfect. The evaporation of some components degrades its performance as fuel, even no reaction takes place. But, this is expected to happen in the tank of a car, not in a fuel storage facility.

Creating the panic situation seems like conspiracy theory because no country has a huge reserve of fuel. It's much easier to store crude oil and then refine it compared to storing gasoline. There's Japan and Switzerland with 120+ days domestic oil consumption in storage and the US with 4-5 weeks, UK 90 days. Anyway, the point is that the stored thing in large volumes is crude oil, not gasoline. Crude oil can be converted to any kind of fuel including E10.
Thanks- as said above, I do not have any knowledge or experience in this domain- and expected to be told it makes no sense.
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The Army are on standby to provide HGV drivers, from their complement of 2000, many of whom are reservists whose day jobs are...HGV driver.
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The Army are on standby to provide HGV drivers, from their complement of 2000, many of whom are reservists whose day jobs are...HGV driver.

You couldn't make it up if you tried......


PS. Are these drivers from the World leadingf andWorld beating Army ?
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When i googled about 'use by dates' for petrol it has roughly 6months then something happens to it and it can turn slimy apparently
This person seems like an expert.
Have you googled that though? Petrol has a shelf-life of between 6 months and a year. It can't be stockpiled like pasta.

But yes - bat poo crazy conspiracy theory. Probably contracted from a bat virus.
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Have you googled that though? Petrol has a shelf-life of between 6 months and a year. It can't be stockpiled like pasta.

But yes - bat poo crazy conspiracy theory. Probably contracted from a bat virus.
Yes I know about shelf-life of petrol as I have had to be aware of it a few times in my life, but I am obviously talking about the conspiracy theory itself.

I use this guide from BP: https://www.bp.com/content/dam/bp/co...gehandling.pdf

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Petrol in sealed containers
The storage life of petrol is one year when stored under shelter in a sealed container. Once a seal is broken the fuel has a
storage life of six months at 20įC or three months at 30įC.
Petrol in equipment tanks
The storage life of petrol in equipment fuel tanks is one month. This can be extended by topping up with one third of
fresh fuel, which restores the volatile components that have evaporated.
Topping up with fresh fuel will help, however it is not a foolproof strategy for engines that are used only intermittently.
The following principles may also help:
> Keep the tank half full to stop water vapour from being sucked in and condensing.
> Consider using a fuel that contains anti-oxidants, metal deactivators and corrosion inhibitors to protect metal surfaces;
such as BP Ultimate.
> Use a hotter spark plug to help to reduce carbon deposits.
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Creating the panic situation seems like conspiracy theory because no country has a huge reserve of fuel. It's much easier to store crude oil and then refine it compared to storing gasoline. There's Japan and Switzerland with 120+ days domestic oil consumption in storage and the US with 4-5 weeks, UK 90 days. Anyway, the point is that the stored thing in large volumes is crude oil, not gasoline. Crude oil can be converted to any kind of fuel including E10.
For CH that should probably be taken with a grain of salt nowadays. Cressier, the only domestic refinery left, can only process some 25% of total consumption.
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While some elements of the 'crisis' are real, the British psyche is an increasingly sad thing to behold. A nation with a significant proportion of of scaremongers and knee-jerkers who love nothing more than being up in arms about something or worrying about something. Of course there are a lot of normal rational people, but unfortunately those are outweighed by the masses of easily influenced, easily worried/scared and often highly ignorant people who engage in all of this irrational and panicked behaviour.

And sure, much of it has undoubtedly been caused by generations growing up and consuming our despicable and sensationalist tabloid media, in addition to our undignified 'punch and judy' politics.

I really do worry about the UK and the sharp decline in quality of live and steady decline in moral values, common sense and rationality that it is going through. The "Keep calm and carry on" mentality that the UK was once famous for seems like a distant memory.
The vast majority of British people are decent, there is however a noisy sizeable minority of both left and right wingers egged on by the Mail and Guardian who for there own vested interests are happy to keep the pot boiling.
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...I mean seriously JackieH, are you how copying and pasting nonsense conspiracy theories from Facebook?
I'd rather she paste here and admit she's not sure and ask whether legit, instead of believing everything wholesale. EF is a great source for all sorts of information. If you don't know, what's the harm in asking?

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The Army are on standby to provide HGV drivers, from their complement of 2000, many of whom are reservists whose day jobs are...HGV driver.
Not really a surprise is it, though? Not everyone can just hop in and drive a tanker truck. I mean, you could pay me to try but you wouldn't like the result. Especially in a RHD with a dozen gears* of manual transmission and a load of fuel.



* I actually have no idea how many gears are in a big rig.
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Thanks, this indeed. It was not on FB btw. But I did wonder if there was any sense at all in the comment- as I do not know anything about petroleum products.
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EF is a great source for all sorts of information.
Some of it actually valid.
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Some of it actually valid.
But not what nick just wrote there.
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Have you googled that though? Petrol has a shelf-life of between 6 months and a year. It can't be stockpiled like pasta.

But yes - bat poo crazy conspiracy theory. Probably contracted from a bat virus.
JackieH must have have been equally surprised by this realisation as I was this morning while I was brushing my teeth. I've noticed dental floss has an expiry date. I was "shocked"......I mean, wha...? I checked all the brands we have, Colgate, Meridol, everything I found. I don't think I ever noticed before, or ever crossed my mind to check out the expiry date...
Note to oneself: have to ask a friend who has a doctorate in polymers what's this all about.
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JackieH must have have been equally surprised by this realisation as I was this morning while I was brushing my teeth. I've noticed dental floss has an expiry date. I was "shocked"......I mean, wha...? I checked all the brands we have, Colgate, Meridol, everything I found. I don't think I ever noticed before, or ever crossed my mind to check out the expiry date...
Note to oneself: have to ask a friend who has a doctorate in polymers what's this all about.
Usually not an expiry date, rather a best before date. It's probably some regulation.

"This rock salt was laid down in a prehistoric sea 600 million years ago and is now brought to you for you culinary delight. Best before 31.12.2021." Phew, just in time.
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Usually not an expiry date, rather a best before date. It's probably some regulation.

"This rock salt was laid down in a prehistoric sea 600 million years ago and is now brought to you for you culinary delight. Best before 31.12.2021." Phew, just in time.
Just in the nick of time?

Expiry date of salt gets me every time too
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Just in the nick of time?

Expiry date of salt gets me every time too
And bottled water.
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And bottled water.
Itís not the water that expires but rather the bottle itís in.
The plastic bottles degrade over time and leach things into the water. Glass bottles donít have this problem.
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