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Is the UK petrol crisis just due to media hype?

It does not seem so. the Governement has known about this for a long time, the haulage industry and the petrol industry too- and the financial sector as well.

A long article, but it does give a framework

https://unravellingtheratsnest.org/p...-it-all-about/
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Re: Is the UK petrol crisis just due to media hype?

I don't know but I'm pretty sure we can blame Boris Johnson and/or Brexit.
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Re: Is the UK petrol crisis just due to media hype?

I dont think it is a media hype but rather media noticing it coming late
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Re: Is the UK petrol crisis just due to media hype?

what a dumb populist article. why are they bringing god damn vaccinations into the topic? how's that relevant?

is it so hard for the media to write and article based on facts without constantly pushing one agenda or another?
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Is the UK petrol crisis just due to media hype?
It's partly due to the media reporting coupled with the usual vapidity of the masses. Same as it was during the fuel strike in the UK of September 2000. People who normally fill up every week or two are topping up "just in case" - despite having over half a tank of fuel.

They should set a minimum spend, not a maximum.

I can't tell if the media reporting is hyped. I don't read that kind of newspaper.
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Re: Is the UK petrol crisis just due to media hype?

Is certainly not helping but it's mostly stupidity and selfishness.
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Re: Is the UK petrol crisis just due to media hype?

Just wondering if you read the article I linked to in OP?
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Just wondering if you read the article I linked to in OP?
If that's directed at me, yes I read it. My opinion still stands.

As someone pointed out on social media, if folk keep panic buying then they'll also be losing key services and teaching their kids from home again as getting to work will be tricky.

Fuel shortages happened before, years ago. I was working in logistics at the time.
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Re: Is the UK petrol crisis just due to media hype?

The problem here is not fuel shortage per se, but HGV driver shortages or the diabolical combo of the two. I truly don't think it will be solved easily. In the meantime, a system has to be found asap to prioretise key workers.

"While we welcome the Government’s intervention to offer temporary visas for 5,000 foreign lorry drivers and to suspend competition law between oil firms, this is merely sticking a tiny plaster on a gaping wound.

"The issue of HGV driver shortages existed long before Brexit and Covid-19, with the logistics industry losing workers to retirement and other sectors, while struggling to attract younger employees.

"But the reality of an estimated 25,000 European drivers returning home this year has left a huge hole in capacity, with the issue now exacerbated by driver training and testing being halted for more than a year due to the pandemic.'' (East Midlands Chamber chief executive Scott Knowles slams Government response to HGV driver shortage)
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The problem here is not fuel shortage per se, but HGV driver shortages or the diabolical combo of the two. I truly don't think it will be solved easily. In the meantime, a system has to be found asap to prioretise key workers.

"While we welcome the Government’s intervention to offer temporary visas for 5,000 foreign lorry drivers and to suspend competition law between oil firms, this is merely sticking a tiny plaster on a gaping wound.

"The issue of HGV driver shortages existed long before Brexit and Covid-19, with the logistics industry losing workers to retirement and other sectors, while struggling to attract younger employees.

"But the reality of an estimated 25,000 European drivers returning home this year has left a huge hole in capacity, with the issue now exacerbated by driver training and testing being halted for more than a year due to the pandemic.'' (East Midlands Chamber chief executive Scott Knowles slams Government response to HGV driver shortage)
Being a HGV driver has been a shitty job for years but while it never affected the majority it was ignored. Plus Brexit. Plus selfishness. Big mess.
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Being a HGV driver has been a shitty job for years but while it never affected the majority it was ignored. Plus Brexit. Plus selfishness. Big mess.
„Selfishness“ on who‘s part? The European LKW drivers that work (and pay) quite a lot towards getting their license to getting the only job that may be available (and not all pass on the first test), or that their work is so under-valued by the Brexit agreement and it‘s insulting conditions?
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„Selfishness“ on who‘s part? The European LKW drivers that work (and pay) quite a lot towards getting their license to getting the only job that may be available (and not all pass on the first test), or that their work is so under-valued by the Brexit agreement and it‘s insulting conditions?
The loons panic buying petrol. I'm well aware how badly a lot of HGV drivers are treated etc. See above.
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The loons panic buying petrol. I'm well aware how badly a lot of HGV drivers are treated etc. See above.

The one good aspect to Brexit and the pandemic is that so called meaningless jobs suddenly became meaningful and valued all of a sudden.
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The one good aspect to Brexit and the pandemic is that so called meaningless jobs suddenly became meaningful and valued all of a sudden.
About frickin time. Mind you there doesn't seem to be a rush to take up those posts left vacant by those furriners... It's almost as if folk can't/won't do those jobs/take up those roles.
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The loons panic buying petrol. I'm well aware how badly a lot of HGV drivers are treated etc. See above.
As someone that stocked-up on loo-paper last year before it became „a thing“, I do do not count myself as a loon. I call that „informed“.

Nor can I imagine what it is to live in the UK at the moment, in it‘s own, self-created repeat experience (or is it an overlapping Covid wave) experience - this time with petrol etc. The International press of course report these facts. The UK cannot blame the EU anymore (which was anyway always only ridiculed). It‘s a matter of their own creation, and they had better get used to the consequences of their decision.

A number of EU member states, including Germany, have longstanding HGV driver shortages. The most heavily affected countries are Poland (a shortage of 124,000 drivers) and Germany (45,000 to 60,000). But unlike in the UK, companies in the EU have been able to rely on nationals from their neighbours to fill the gaps, and the problems of empty supermarket shelves and panic-buying at petrol station forecourts have been avoided.
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As someone that stocked-up on loo-paper last year before it became „a thing“, I do do not count myself as a loon. I call that „informed“.

Nor can I imagine what it is to live in the UK at the moment, in it‘s own, self-created repeat experience (or is it an overlapping Covid wave) experience - this time with petrol etc. The International press of course report these facts. The UK cannot blame the EU anymore (which was anyway always only ridiculed). It‘s a matter of their own creation, and they had better get used to the consequences of their decision.

A number of EU member states, including Germany, have longstanding HGV driver shortages. The most heavily affected countries are Poland (a shortage of 124,000 drivers) and Germany (45,000 to 60,000). But unlike in the UK, companies in the EU have been able to rely on nationals from their neighbours to fill the gaps, and the problems of empty supermarket shelves and panic-buying at petrol station forecourts have been avoided.

Mostly I agree. However this situation had not been created by the majority. But that debate runs to a zillion pages.
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Re: Is the UK petrol crisis just due to media hype?

Many motivations at work here:

The hauling companies want the government to reopen the cheap labour pipeline from Eastern Europe and feel that the current plans are inadequate.

The drivers want the hauling companies to improve their working conditions and raise their wages.

The government agrees with the drivers and want to tighten the immigration tap and be seen as implementing Brexit.

And the man on the street who doesn’t want to be caught short and who will ultimately end up paying for the higher costs,

And, of course, the media who knows that good nees doesn’t sell, but a panic does.

I’m sure glad I live in a civilised country.
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…those who bought all the toilet paper now buying all oil...I am glad that I am on velo'...
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It does not seem so. the Governement has known about this for a long time, the haulage industry and the petrol industry too- and the financial sector as well.
It strikes me that it was BP who first 'sounded the alarm'. My dad had a BP garage and changed supplier when they introduced a policy of not delivering a part tanker load. I've no idea what their policy is now, but that's stuck with me. Also, not one of my friends and family in the NW have had any issues with supply, but almost all of my mates in the Home Counties have.

It's just become a self-fulfilling prophecy.
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As someone that stocked-up on loo-paper last year before it became „a thing“, I do do not count myself as a loon. I call that „informed“.
I'm not sure that's too convincing. Anyone stocking up on loo paper - even if they beat the rush (which sounds like a bad case of the runs) - might be considered a loon by many objective observers.
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